Harun

Nic,

As I think you know alot about NLP , I will try to explain my
experience to you. Any other comments from everyone is appreciated.

To me, there are things that work in NLP changework. I believe most of
them are related to the part of belief systems. Its been 2 years since
I have had my practitioner and master practitioner trainings. I have
had 3 more of each of them as an assistant. My objective was to improve
my confidence when I entered the trainings, so I was desperate.
Desperate to be more happy. The way it was presented , those trainings
was the key to everything I would need in life. NLP was my new life
passion because of that. Finally all those years of thinking how would
I change my confidence came to an end I thought. Somebody was going to
hand me the how-to book for my brain! Unfortunately nope. I wasnt
getting results and I got stuck in NLP... NLP NLP NLP all day long.
Bullshitting about NLP all day long and even becoming very motivated
for my future. But where were the results? I read read read read hoping
I would see the big picture at last. It only made things more
complicated. Than at last I gave up . And fell into depression.
Everybody in my life was totally shocked. A happy person turned into a
shit. I dont think the trainings are enough for anything. Its only a
brief desciption of NLP. If you want to make them work.. you have to
work for years till you get proficcient at it.

But anyhow, changing belief systems whether with NLP or 3Dmind gets
results. Its the work done compared to the result gotten that makes
3DMIND kick NLPs ass. The way I see it: There are belief systems.. and
main BLOCK feelings that the whole belief systems are attached to. As a
side note here ;NOWHERE in NLP anybody thought me how I would find the
connection to the IDENTITY level belief which will get the biggest
change. It was always hit and miss.For example in SOM you find break
the connections between statements and you connect them to something
else. To get the most leverage you must find the link that gets
attached to the block feeling, otherwise it will just generate a
useless change. As an example; you must find ,somebody not loving me=
I'm useless. Than break that link with SOM or whatever. BUT you must
connect it to something else like.. Somebody not loving me= its that
they are strange= I am normal. This way you create a new link, which
doesnt guarantee that the first link will not be activated again, but
the weakened bad feeling will probably get lost in the feeling of I am
normal. This does work. Though if there is any other link to the block
feeling I am useless the feeling will be activated again. Like , Me
doing a mistake= I am useless. I think you see my point. You have to
change all those links one by one. Otherwise they arent totally
disconnected. Whereas in 3DMIND, you find that block that alot of
things are attached to, and you neutralize the BLOCK. So any connection
to the block becomes useless, because they no more reach a feeling!

Although I am very tired now and I think I wrote this very complicated,
I think this is one of the best metaphors for seeing how the 3DMIND
works compared to a NLP belief change method. Dont get me wrong I used
SOM and NLP to clear my head and reach a resourceful belief system
after I got proficient,but it was done so that I can use 3dmind more
precisely. But in the and I believe it will be 3Dmind that will clear
the blocks forever.

Hope this wasnt too complicated,
Harun

Tom Vizzini

I think this speaks volumes

So many people in the NLP community ignore the person trying to learn NLP.
They simply don't get it and refuse to take the feedback. Let's go through
some of the points of the made in this post.


"Harun" <mail_boy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Its been 2 years since
> I have had my practitioner and master practitioner trainings. I have
> had 3 more of each of them as an assistant. My objective was to improve
> my confidence when I entered the trainings, so I was desperate.
> Desperate to be more happy. The way it was presented , those trainings
> was the key to everything I would need in life. NLP was my new life
> passion because of that. Finally all those years of thinking how would
> I change my confidence came to an end I thought. Somebody was going to
> hand me the how-to book for my brain! Unfortunately nope.

Point number one: This is the first huge point that most people in the NLP
community ignore. Here is a practitioner and master practitioner. The
objective was to improve confidence. He was desperate. NLP was presented
as the key to everything he would need in life.


I wasnt getting results and I got stuck in NLP... NLP NLP NLP all day long.
> Bullshitting about NLP all day long and even becoming very motivated
> for my future. But where were the results? I read read read read hoping
> I would see the big picture at last. It only made things more
> complicated. Than at last I gave up . And fell into depression.
> Everybody in my life was totally shocked. A happy person turned into a
> shit. I dont think the trainings are enough for anything. Its only a
> brief desciption of NLP. If you want to make them work.. you have to
> work for years till you get proficcient at it.

Point number two: where were the results. He could talk about NLP all day
long but the results were not there. The only result that was there was a
deep depression.

A happy person turned into a
> shit. I dont think the trainings are enough for anything. Its only a
> brief desciption of NLP. If you want to make them work.. you have to
> work for years till you get proficcient at it.

Point number three: after two trainings he still believes that they were not
enough and that it would take years longer to become proficient.

Rather than defending the undefendable, why do those in the NLP community
not listen. This is FEEDBACK. It is not isolated feedback is the same
thing that frustrated me and cause me to look elsewhere for answers.

>
> But anyhow, changing belief systems whether with NLP or 3Dmind gets
> results. Its the work done compared to the result gotten that makes
> 3DMIND kick NLPs ass.

Point number four: the 3-D Mind kicks NLP in the ass when it comes to real
world results. What is the reason for this? The reason is that it only
takes a very short time to understand the structure of the mind using the
3-D Mind model. It does not take excessive training and years to become
proficient at.


Whereas in 3DMIND, you find that block that alot of
> things are attached to, and you neutralize the BLOCK. So any connection
> to the block becomes useless, because they no more reach a feeling!


Point number four: the problem is not overwhelmed, reframed or disassociated
from. It is neutralized. That means that there is no longer any response
to the stimulus.

>But in the and I believe it will be 3Dmind that will clear
> the blocks forever.

Point number five: the experience of this NLP practitioner and master
practitioner is clearly stated. An easy to use technology that honestly
fixes the problem in a way that is easy to understand.

More and more NLP practitioners and master practitioner's are discovering
the advantages of the 3-D Mind. That the very least that will enhance your
ability to make changes in yourself and others. In the very most of them
might possibly replace everything you thought you knew.

Have fun

Tom


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Nic

Harun

Thanks for your post.

I find it refreshing that someone is prepared to post their personal
experiences with NLP and compare it with 3D Mind.

the sad thing is that yes, I know a fair amount about NLP but no,
nothing that you wrote surprises me. NLP is badly taught in a lot of
areas by people who should not call themselves trainers; they know
little or nothing about how people learn, how to ensure that different
learning styles are catered for in the delivery etc. On top of that,
many appear to have only a limited understanding of NLP.

It appears that at leaast some of the people you met fall into that
category. So much that is packaged as NLP is formulaic and based on at
best a partial understanding. It would not be difficult for a competent
practitioner to be able to help you with the confidence issue - the
problem is that so many NLP practitioners and trainers address symptoms
and not root causes. And strangely, when you consider the effect
Erickson had on Bandler in particular, I never cease to be appalled at
the number of practitioners who cannot induce a trance in their clients,
except perhaps accidentally by boring them!

I'm glad you found an answer to your problems and hope the change lasts;
it should do, as 3D Mind is good at what it does.

Good luck

Nic