Hypnosis - Scientology - LRH - Gil Boyne - alt-psychology-nlp

11-24-2005, 10:46 AM

Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote:
> From International Viewpoints (IVy) Issue 9 - November 1992
>
>
>
> Another Look at Hypnosis
>
> By Lawrence West, USA
>
>
>
> While visiting a Clearing Practitioner friend of mine in San Francisco
>
> in 1989 I noticed that he was doing hypnosis on some clients to help
>
> them quit smoking. I found myself a bit shocked and amazed, but
>
> decided to find out why he was doing this 'off-beat practice'. After
>
> all Ron had given us some stern warnings about hypnosis in "Dianetics
>
> - The Modern Science of Mental Health". After talking to him for a
>
> while about hypnosis, I decided that I really didn't know much about
>
> it from practical experience. I had just accepted someone else's ideas
>
> and stable datum without finding out for myself. On returning home to
>
> Southern California I began to look around for a hypnosis school where
>
> I could study the subject first hand with a master of the subject. I
>
> wanted to find out for myself.
>
>
>
> During this time, the late summer of 1989, I began reading about
>
> hypnosis and talking with other Clearing Practitioners and my students
>
> about the subject. I found those who had never been in the Church to
>
> have an open mind about hypnosis. Those who had been in the Church
>
> were like me, suspicious and somewhat afraid of the whole idea. I
>
> decided to do an experiment. Every time I met someone new I introduced
>
> myself as a hypnotist or hypnotherapist. I found that in almost 100%
>
> of the cases, this was received favorably. A typical comment being, "A
>
> hypnotist helped my mother get over her fear of snakes" or "I could
>
> use that; do you have a card." In almost all cases, the response was
>
> favorable or at least neutral. This seemed to be quite a contrast to
>
> the 80% or so negative reaction when you say you have something to do
>
> with Dianetics or Scientology. In seemed that the hypnotists, at
>
> least, had much better PR in the population at large.
>
>
>
> Why so? Had I been missing out on something?
>
>
>
> About this time a student of mind had put out some brochures in a
>
> local clothing store promoting herself as a Clearing Practitioner
>
> doing Clearing. She received a phone call from a somewhat nervous,
>
> agitated man who asked her in shaky voice, "Does this have anything to
>
> do with Dianetics?" After thinking a second and knowing for sure that
>
> this was a "churchie," she replied, "No! It is hypnosis." He said,
>
> "Thank you, that's all I wanted to know," in an even more frightened
>
> and agitated voice. She said, "Wait, don't you want to know more?" The
>
> reply, "I'm into Dianetics and I am not interested in hypnosis!" He
>
> hung up abruptly and that was all she ever heard on the matter, no
>
> visit from the gestapo, no further contact or harassment. My comment
>
> to her was, "Now, for sure, I am going to find a good school of
>
> hypnosis so that I can have one of those hypnosis certificates on my
>
> wall whether I use it or not." The metaphor being, "This is some kind
>
> of great 'bug spray' against RTC (RTC, the organisation holding
>
> various trademarks and copyrights on Rons work, which has fought
>
> rather vicously against anything they regarded as competition. Ed.)
>
> creeps, it is like holding a cross up to a vampire." In any case, it
>
> will keep distractions off our lines so that we can do our work.
>
>
>
> I try it out
>
>
>
> By September of 1989 I was enrolled in a 150 hour certification course
>
> in Los Angeles at one of the leading hypnosis training academies. I
>
> also took a weekly 50 hour course at one of the local night schools.
>
> During this period of time, in the fall of 1989, as a part of these
>
> courses, I allowed myself to be hypnotised hundreds of times and
>
> hypnotised other students in the course hundreds of times. The first
>
> thing I found was that I was very good at it right from the start,
>
> perhaps as a result of my 20 years of putting people "in session." The
>
> second thing I found was that the experience of being hypnotised was
>
> quite pleasant, like being 'in session.' I found it to be quite
>
> relaxing and at no time did I feel other-determined or unconscious. At
>
> all times I was fully aware and self-determined. I even went to
>
> hypnosis stage shows where I volunteered to be hypnotised on stage
>
> with a group. I could do all the tricks required, yet I remained fully
>
> conscious and aware of what was going on. I did some test to be sure
>
> that I was not fooling myself. It seemed that I could be in the state
>
> or out of it as I so determined. This could be because of my 700 or so
>
> hours of Clearing over 20 years. I did notice that those around me
>
> seemed to be unconscious of their surroundings. Perhaps, it is true
>
> that a Clear cannot be hypnotised; however, a Clear can enter or exit
>
> the state of hypnosis at will, and while in the state, can do all the
>
> 'tricks' that a hypnotised subject can do.
>
>
>
> I finished my training by late November of 1989 and received a
>
> certificate as a Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist. I even tested my
>
> new abilities by attending a fire walk in early December of 1989. I
>
> walked across the blazing coals twice and received only one small
>
> burn. I immediately ran it out solo and erased the incident and the
>
> pain.
>
>
>
> Two major techniques
>
>
>
> There are two major techniques that most good hypnosis training
>
> schools teach. One is the induction of the state of hypnosis along
>
> with suggestions for improvement and the other is regression work
>
> which is not unlike Book One Dianetics. The regression procedure dates
>
> back to before 1950 to the work of Breuer and Freud in the 1890s.
>
>
>
> Perhaps this is the 'few bits of Freudian therapy' that L. Ron Hubbard
>
> learned from Commander Snake Thompson that he applied to the ex-POWs
>
> he worked with at Oak Knoll Naval Hospital after the war. I know also,
>
> from talking with A.E. van Vogt that LRH was a skilled and powerful
>
> hypnotist. Van Vogt speaks of a time when he saw LRH hypnotize several
>
> people after a meeting of The Science Fiction Writers Guild in 1947.
>
>
>
> Conclusion
>
>
>
> As I began to put all my experience together, I came to some startling
>
> conclusions.
>
>
>
> These are:
>
>
>
> 1. Dianetics comes out of Hubbard's research and use of hypnosis.
>
>
>
> The countdown, the concept of the 'file clerk,' finger snapping, the
>
> canceller, the idea of regression, and the concept that aberration
>
> comes from some subconscious mechanism all can be seen in the earlier
>
> practice of hypnosis. Remember Ron was a total master of hypnosis and
>
> was well read on the subject. My experience is that if you count
>
> someone down, the vast majority of people will go into a hypnotic
>
> trance whether you want them to or not.
>
>
>
> I believe, also, that the breath test, can squeeze and the command
>
> 'start of session' as a ritual-like beginning to a session is enough
>
> to put a well conditioned subject into a state of hypnosis. And I
>
> think most preclears could be classified as well-conditioned subjects.
>
> It doesn't matter if you want to or not, it still happens.
>
>
>
> I am not saying that this is wrong or bad, it is just an observation I
>
> have made after some intensive study of hypnosis. This study has made
>
> me realize how absolutely easy it is to put someone into a hypnotic
>
> state. In Freud's time it took an hour or so to induce hypnosis. Today
>
> a skilled practitioner can induce the same state in less than 30
>
> seconds.
>
>
>
> Snap and they are in a hypnotic state. I think it is because we have
>
> watched so much television. Television viewing induces a trance and
>
> this induction is repeated thousands of times. Now it is very easy to
>
> induce a trance in a member of the TV generation. This has some
>
> frightening implications when you see the amount of negative garbage
>
> coming from television.
>
>
>
> When you say, 'Start of Session' you have someone who is "interested
>
> in own case and willing to talk to the practitioner," but you also
>
> have someone who is, to some degree, in a state of hypnosis, i.e., a
>
> hypnotic trance. That is one of the reasons we have the Clearing
>
> Practitioner Code: to protect that person while he is in a very
>
> suggestible state.
>
>
>
> Knowing all this doesn't really change the way we do Clearing, it just
>
> means that we now have a deeper understanding of what is going on in
>
> session. And I am saying this with the realization that I may be
>
> offending some of the more orthodox Hubbardians. I definitely agree
>
> that hypnosis is no 'parlor game.' The next question is, "Why did Ron
>
> so strongly disavow the practice of hypnosis?" I have a theory about
>
> that and that is startling conclusion number two.
>
>
>
> 2. L. Ron Hubbard saw the need to separate Dianetics from hypnosis.
>
>
>
> In the late 40s and earlier 50s, a person practicing hypnosis openly
>
> could be arrested for practicing medicine without a license. This was
>
> quite common during that period of time. So by saying, "this is not
>
> hypnosis and I disavow hypnosis," in so many words, Ron was creating
>
> something new and different called Dianetics. This, in a sense, was a
>
> marketing ploy to take Dianetics out of the realm of psychotherapy and
>
> medicine in order to protect himself and future practitioners from
>
> arrest and prosecution (persecution also). Dianetics was, of course, a
>
> great breakthrough and Ron discovered a multitude of new methods and
>
> practices which greatly advanced the practice of regression hypnosis.
>
>
>
> 3. When you hypnotize someone by some means, after telling him that
>
> you are not using hypnosis, he has no way to resist unwanted
>
> suggestions.
>
>
>
> Here is what I think is my biggest startling realization on this
>
> subject. And I think it is the reason for the formation and
>
> perpetuation of cults. In my training with master hypnotist and master
>
> teacher of hypnosis, Gil Boyne, a student in the class asked the
>
> following question, "What if the subject doesn't like the suggestion
>
> and doesn't want to follow it?" Gil answered, "He simply won't follow
>
> it." "Why?" "Because he knows he is hypnotized and can simply choose
>
> not to." For the class this was a surprising answer from a man who has
>
> practiced hypnosis for over 40 years. For me, this answer led to a
>
> further realization. What if you tell someone what you are doing is
>
> not hypnosis and, yet, engage him in practices that induce a state of
>
> hypnosis. My conclusion was: He will enter a state of hypnosis, not
>
> know that he has been hypnotized and not be able to resist any
>
> suggestion he is given from the person or group that put him in the
>
> hypnotic trance.
>
>
>
> Now we begin to see why some organizations and television have such a
>
> powerful influence over their helpless victims. I am certainly not
>
> referring here to any of the Free Zone groups or other independent
>
> practitioners that do Clearing or Viewing outside the Church of
>
> Scientology.
>
>
>
> If someone says, "I am going to hypnotize you." and you agree and go
>
> ahead with it you are still left with some critical factor to screen
>
> out unwanted or irrational suggestions.
>
>
>
> In many organization which are referred to as cults (See IVy Nr, 1
>
> page 25, with material from The Cult Awareness Network, and the book
>
> "Combatting Cult Mind Control", by Steven Hassan, Park Stree Press
>
> 1988 ISBN 0-89281-243-5. Ed IVy,) the participants are told over and
>
> over in many different ways that what they are doing has nothing to do
>
> with hypnosis. At the same time drills, meditations, exercises and
>
> sessions are done which put them into a very profound, deep, waking,
>
> eyes open, hypnotic trance. If they are also overworked, kept awake
>
> for long hours or denied food, this greatly enhances the trance. Now
>
> these people have no critical factor left to resist suggestions and
>
> will accept whatever they are told. They become willing members of
>
> organizations that purport to be the 'only source of the only
>
> solution,' in the words of the late Jack Horner.
>
>
>
> These are people who have been deeply hypnotized yet do not know that
>
> they have been. They manifest all the behaviors of the cult members
>
> which have been presented in other articles by many authors over the
>
> last 10 to 15 years. I think it is pretty obvious what I am talk
>
> about. In the many hypnosis organizations I have studied with and
>
> visited over the past 4 years which practice hypnosis and say that is
>
> what they do, I have never seen this 'cult-like' behavior. I have only
>
> seen some very self-determined people who think for themselves, the
>
> type of people the average cult member hates and fears. These people
>
> understand the mechanics of hypnosis and are, therefore, not
>
> susceptible to cult brainwashing, which these hypnosis organizations
>
> are not into in the first place. It seems knowledge is the best
>
> defense against hidden hypnotic influence. It could be that people
>
> outside the Church of Scientology in the independent field and Free
>
> Zone were not susceptible to this mechanism and this is what caused
>
> them to leave or be expelled from the Church.
>
>
>
> I think that most cults and cult leaders do not realize what they are
>
> doing. I think that they are victims of their own deception. They
>
> actually fear those who think for themselves. For sure, they do try,
>
> overtly or covertly, to push out those people who resist or don't go
>
> along with this covert hypnotic influence. After all, 'one bad apple'
>
> might spoil the whole barrel. Welcome to the bad apple club! I look
>
> forward to comments and criticisms of what I have written here. This
>
> is, after all, just my viewpoint and I would be interested in what
>
> others have to say. (Also very welcome in the form of letters to IVy,
>
> and will be forwarded at once to Lawrence, Ed.) I can be contacted
>
> through "International Viewpoints".
>
>
> ================ http://www.clearing.org ====================
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> ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/ivy/iv-09-08.txt
> Send mail to archive@lightlink.com saying help
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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11-24-2005, 10:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
Deep Trance Guest Posts: n/a	Hypnosis - Scientology - LRH - Gil Boyne Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote: > From International Viewpoints (IVy) Issue 9 - November 1992 > > > > Another Look at Hypnosis > > By Lawrence West, USA > > > > While visiting a Clearing Practitioner friend of mine in San Francisco > > in 1989 I noticed that he was doing hypnosis on some clients to help > > them quit smoking. I found myself a bit shocked and amazed, but > > decided to find out why he was doing this 'off-beat practice'. After > > all Ron had given us some stern warnings about hypnosis in "Dianetics > > - The Modern Science of Mental Health". After talking to him for a > > while about hypnosis, I decided that I really didn't know much about > > it from practical experience. I had just accepted someone else's ideas > > and stable datum without finding out for myself. On returning home to > > Southern California I began to look around for a hypnosis school where > > I could study the subject first hand with a master of the subject. I > > wanted to find out for myself. > > > > During this time, the late summer of 1989, I began reading about > > hypnosis and talking with other Clearing Practitioners and my students > > about the subject. I found those who had never been in the Church to > > have an open mind about hypnosis. Those who had been in the Church > > were like me, suspicious and somewhat afraid of the whole idea. I > > decided to do an experiment. Every time I met someone new I introduced > > myself as a hypnotist or hypnotherapist. I found that in almost 100% > > of the cases, this was received favorably. A typical comment being, "A > > hypnotist helped my mother get over her fear of snakes" or "I could > > use that; do you have a card." In almost all cases, the response was > > favorable or at least neutral. This seemed to be quite a contrast to > > the 80% or so negative reaction when you say you have something to do > > with Dianetics or Scientology. In seemed that the hypnotists, at > > least, had much better PR in the population at large. > > > > Why so? Had I been missing out on something? > > > > About this time a student of mind had put out some brochures in a > > local clothing store promoting herself as a Clearing Practitioner > > doing Clearing. She received a phone call from a somewhat nervous, > > agitated man who asked her in shaky voice, "Does this have anything to > > do with Dianetics?" After thinking a second and knowing for sure that > > this was a "churchie," she replied, "No! It is hypnosis." He said, > > "Thank you, that's all I wanted to know," in an even more frightened > > and agitated voice. She said, "Wait, don't you want to know more?" The > > reply, "I'm into Dianetics and I am not interested in hypnosis!" He > > hung up abruptly and that was all she ever heard on the matter, no > > visit from the gestapo, no further contact or harassment. My comment > > to her was, "Now, for sure, I am going to find a good school of > > hypnosis so that I can have one of those hypnosis certificates on my > > wall whether I use it or not." The metaphor being, "This is some kind > > of great 'bug spray' against RTC (RTC, the organisation holding > > various trademarks and copyrights on Rons work, which has fought > > rather vicously against anything they regarded as competition. Ed.) > > creeps, it is like holding a cross up to a vampire." In any case, it > > will keep distractions off our lines so that we can do our work. > > > > I try it out > > > > By September of 1989 I was enrolled in a 150 hour certification course > > in Los Angeles at one of the leading hypnosis training academies. I > > also took a weekly 50 hour course at one of the local night schools. > > During this period of time, in the fall of 1989, as a part of these > > courses, I allowed myself to be hypnotised hundreds of times and > > hypnotised other students in the course hundreds of times. The first > > thing I found was that I was very good at it right from the start, > > perhaps as a result of my 20 years of putting people "in session." The > > second thing I found was that the experience of being hypnotised was > > quite pleasant, like being 'in session.' I found it to be quite > > relaxing and at no time did I feel other-determined or unconscious. At > > all times I was fully aware and self-determined. I even went to > > hypnosis stage shows where I volunteered to be hypnotised on stage > > with a group. I could do all the tricks required, yet I remained fully > > conscious and aware of what was going on. I did some test to be sure > > that I was not fooling myself. It seemed that I could be in the state > > or out of it as I so determined. This could be because of my 700 or so > > hours of Clearing over 20 years. I did notice that those around me > > seemed to be unconscious of their surroundings. Perhaps, it is true > > that a Clear cannot be hypnotised; however, a Clear can enter or exit > > the state of hypnosis at will, and while in the state, can do all the > > 'tricks' that a hypnotised subject can do. > > > > I finished my training by late November of 1989 and received a > > certificate as a Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist. I even tested my > > new abilities by attending a fire walk in early December of 1989. I > > walked across the blazing coals twice and received only one small > > burn. I immediately ran it out solo and erased the incident and the > > pain. > > > > Two major techniques > > > > There are two major techniques that most good hypnosis training > > schools teach. One is the induction of the state of hypnosis along > > with suggestions for improvement and the other is regression work > > which is not unlike Book One Dianetics. The regression procedure dates > > back to before 1950 to the work of Breuer and Freud in the 1890s. > > > > Perhaps this is the 'few bits of Freudian therapy' that L. Ron Hubbard > > learned from Commander Snake Thompson that he applied to the ex-POWs > > he worked with at Oak Knoll Naval Hospital after the war. I know also, > > from talking with A.E. van Vogt that LRH was a skilled and powerful > > hypnotist. Van Vogt speaks of a time when he saw LRH hypnotize several > > people after a meeting of The Science Fiction Writers Guild in 1947. > > > > Conclusion > > > > As I began to put all my experience together, I came to some startling > > conclusions. > > > > These are: > > > > 1. Dianetics comes out of Hubbard's research and use of hypnosis. > > > > The countdown, the concept of the 'file clerk,' finger snapping, the > > canceller, the idea of regression, and the concept that aberration > > comes from some subconscious mechanism all can be seen in the earlier > > practice of hypnosis. Remember Ron was a total master of hypnosis and > > was well read on the subject. My experience is that if you count > > someone down, the vast majority of people will go into a hypnotic > > trance whether you want them to or not. > > > > I believe, also, that the breath test, can squeeze and the command > > 'start of session' as a ritual-like beginning to a session is enough > > to put a well conditioned subject into a state of hypnosis. And I > > think most preclears could be classified as well-conditioned subjects. > > It doesn't matter if you want to or not, it still happens. > > > > I am not saying that this is wrong or bad, it is just an observation I > > have made after some intensive study of hypnosis. This study has made > > me realize how absolutely easy it is to put someone into a hypnotic > > state. In Freud's time it took an hour or so to induce hypnosis. Today > > a skilled practitioner can induce the same state in less than 30 > > seconds. > > > > Snap and they are in a hypnotic state. I think it is because we have > > watched so much television. Television viewing induces a trance and > > this induction is repeated thousands of times. Now it is very easy to > > induce a trance in a member of the TV generation. This has some > > frightening implications when you see the amount of negative garbage > > coming from television. > > > > When you say, 'Start of Session' you have someone who is "interested > > in own case and willing to talk to the practitioner," but you also > > have someone who is, to some degree, in a state of hypnosis, i.e., a > > hypnotic trance. That is one of the reasons we have the Clearing > > Practitioner Code: to protect that person while he is in a very > > suggestible state. > > > > Knowing all this doesn't really change the way we do Clearing, it just > > means that we now have a deeper understanding of what is going on in > > session. And I am saying this with the realization that I may be > > offending some of the more orthodox Hubbardians. I definitely agree > > that hypnosis is no 'parlor game.' The next question is, "Why did Ron > > so strongly disavow the practice of hypnosis?" I have a theory about > > that and that is startling conclusion number two. > > > > 2. L. Ron Hubbard saw the need to separate Dianetics from hypnosis. > > > > In the late 40s and earlier 50s, a person practicing hypnosis openly > > could be arrested for practicing medicine without a license. This was > > quite common during that period of time. So by saying, "this is not > > hypnosis and I disavow hypnosis," in so many words, Ron was creating > > something new and different called Dianetics. This, in a sense, was a > > marketing ploy to take Dianetics out of the realm of psychotherapy and > > medicine in order to protect himself and future practitioners from > > arrest and prosecution (persecution also). Dianetics was, of course, a > > great breakthrough and Ron discovered a multitude of new methods and > > practices which greatly advanced the practice of regression hypnosis. > > > > 3. When you hypnotize someone by some means, after telling him that > > you are not using hypnosis, he has no way to resist unwanted > > suggestions. > > > > Here is what I think is my biggest startling realization on this > > subject. And I think it is the reason for the formation and > > perpetuation of cults. In my training with master hypnotist and master > > teacher of hypnosis, Gil Boyne, a student in the class asked the > > following question, "What if the subject doesn't like the suggestion > > and doesn't want to follow it?" Gil answered, "He simply won't follow > > it." "Why?" "Because he knows he is hypnotized and can simply choose > > not to." For the class this was a surprising answer from a man who has > > practiced hypnosis for over 40 years. For me, this answer led to a > > further realization. What if you tell someone what you are doing is > > not hypnosis and, yet, engage him in practices that induce a state of > > hypnosis. My conclusion was: He will enter a state of hypnosis, not > > know that he has been hypnotized and not be able to resist any > > suggestion he is given from the person or group that put him in the > > hypnotic trance. > > > > Now we begin to see why some organizations and television have such a > > powerful influence over their helpless victims. I am certainly not > > referring here to any of the Free Zone groups or other independent > > practitioners that do Clearing or Viewing outside the Church of > > Scientology. > > > > If someone says, "I am going to hypnotize you." and you agree and go > > ahead with it you are still left with some critical factor to screen > > out unwanted or irrational suggestions. > > > > In many organization which are referred to as cults (See IVy Nr, 1 > > page 25, with material from The Cult Awareness Network, and the book > > "Combatting Cult Mind Control", by Steven Hassan, Park Stree Press > > 1988 ISBN 0-89281-243-5. Ed IVy,) the participants are told over and > > over in many different ways that what they are doing has nothing to do > > with hypnosis. At the same time drills, meditations, exercises and > > sessions are done which put them into a very profound, deep, waking, > > eyes open, hypnotic trance. If they are also overworked, kept awake > > for long hours or denied food, this greatly enhances the trance. Now > > these people have no critical factor left to resist suggestions and > > will accept whatever they are told. They become willing members of > > organizations that purport to be the 'only source of the only > > solution,' in the words of the late Jack Horner. > > > > These are people who have been deeply hypnotized yet do not know that > > they have been. They manifest all the behaviors of the cult members > > which have been presented in other articles by many authors over the > > last 10 to 15 years. I think it is pretty obvious what I am talk > > about. In the many hypnosis organizations I have studied with and > > visited over the past 4 years which practice hypnosis and say that is > > what they do, I have never seen this 'cult-like' behavior. I have only > > seen some very self-determined people who think for themselves, the > > type of people the average cult member hates and fears. These people > > understand the mechanics of hypnosis and are, therefore, not > > susceptible to cult brainwashing, which these hypnosis organizations > > are not into in the first place. It seems knowledge is the best > > defense against hidden hypnotic influence. It could be that people > > outside the Church of Scientology in the independent field and Free > > Zone were not susceptible to this mechanism and this is what caused > > them to leave or be expelled from the Church. > > > > I think that most cults and cult leaders do not realize what they are > > doing. I think that they are victims of their own deception. They > > actually fear those who think for themselves. For sure, they do try, > > overtly or covertly, to push out those people who resist or don't go > > along with this covert hypnotic influence. After all, 'one bad apple' > > might spoil the whole barrel. Welcome to the bad apple club! I look > > forward to comments and criticisms of what I have written here. This > > is, after all, just my viewpoint and I would be interested in what > > others have to say. (Also very welcome in the form of letters to IVy, > > and will be forwarded at once to Lawrence, Ed.) I can be contacted > > through "International Viewpoints". > > > ================ http://www.clearing.org ==================== > Wed Nov 23 15:13:05 EST 2005 > ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/ivy/iv-09-08.txt > Send mail to archive@lightlink.com saying help > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Homer Wilson Smith The paths of lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink > (607) 277-0959 cross in Internet Access, Ithaca NY > homer@lightlink.com the line of duty. http://www.lightlink.com

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