Deep Trance

(ON-TOPIC) HYPNO-SECRETS: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT Self-Hypnosis
"Experimentation with Rhesus monkeys has induced a hypnosis-like
response in these non-human subjects. Of the 45 monkeys in one study, 6
went quickly into a motionless state when sat in front of a gently
oscillating shining ball. 12 others who initially tried to turn away or
push away the ball also became motionless after being secured to their
chair... In the end, all of the monkey subjects ended up displaying
'hypnotised' behaviour in response to the ball and EEG monitoring
showed some changes in the hemispheric dominance of the monkeys."
> >
Petrova E.V., Shlyk G.G., Kuznetsova G.D., Shirvinska M.A., Pirozhenko
A.V., Hypnosis in Macaca Rhesus is Characterised by Different Phases
and
Inter-hemispheric EEG Asymmetry
> >
> >
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mstrhypno

Deep Trance wrote:
> (ON-TOPIC) HYPNO-SECRETS: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT Self-Hypnosis
> "Experimentation with Rhesus monkeys has induced a hypnosis-like
> response in these non-human subjects. Of the 45 monkeys in one study, 6
> went quickly into a motionless state when sat in front of a gently
> oscillating shining ball. 12 others who initially tried to turn away or
> push away the ball also became motionless after being secured to their
> chair... In the end, all of the monkey subjects ended up displaying
> 'hypnotised' behaviour in response to the ball and EEG monitoring
> showed some changes in the hemispheric dominance of the monkeys."
> > >
> Petrova E.V., Shlyk G.G., Kuznetsova G.D., Shirvinska M.A., Pirozhenko
> A.V., Hypnosis in Macaca Rhesus is Characterised by Different Phases
> and
> Inter-hemispheric EEG Asymmetry
> > >
> LOVE-DeepTrance

Ed, did you BOTHER to read for content? And i QUOTE:

""Experimentation with Rhesus monkeys has induced a HYPNOSIS-LIKE
response in these non-human subjects." (emphasis mine)

Hypnosis-like is not "HYPNOSIS EQUIVALENT!"

Go out and buy a clue - you are suffering from that new internet
disorder CDD - Clue Defecit Disorder (copyright, 2003, by Lee Darrow,
all rights reserved).

Lee Darrow, C.H.
http://www.leedarrow.com

mstrhypno

Ed McClelland wrote:
> (ON-TOPIC) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT
> Self-Hypnosis. Solid 'professional' SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Not Show Businees
> FLUFF, PUFF, BLUFF and NO STUFF from flaming idiot Tin Horn hypnotists
> on a TOOT: http://www.hypnosis.com/faq/faq2-6.html The "Death Trance"
> (Coma State - Plenary Trance) is very REAL in both Humans and Animals.
> And can be induced NON-VERBALLY (Benjamin Fraklin was WRONG) with
> NON-CONTACT high ENERGY hand passes (or piezoelectric ENERGY) of the
> body (Hypnotize the BODY and the MIND will/must follow). There are no
> defenses against these kinds o specialized kinesthetic HIGN ENERGY
> inducutions. Science does not know why the body wants to HIBERNATE when
> exposed to HIGH LEVEL sublle body ENERGY (see Ocular Hypnosis)... "When
> you know you know you know EVERYTHING to know about HYPNOSIS you know
> you know you know NOTHING." -TheShadowNose
>
>From the SAME CITATION:

"In addition to the 'trance reflex' which is seen to sometimes
accompany or precede hypnotic induction, the factor of 'trance logic'
which surfaces under deep trance also adds to the catatonic appearance,
as the primitive language capacity in trance logic could easily
contribute to the appearance of stupor. But the individual is actually,
in general, wide awake and thinking, and in control of themself, but
extraordinarily focused on their internal experience, and on the voice
of the hypnotist."

As well as the following:

"... the general tendency of the hypnotic subject to be passive and
receptive is simply expressive of the suggestibility of the hypnotic
subject and hence a direct result of the suggestions employed to induce
hypnosis and not a function of the hypnotic state."

Milton Erickson, circa 1944."

In addition, photic stimulation, as noted in prior posts that I have
made is NOT equivalent to hypnosis, as cited in the following studies:

Naval Flight Surgeon's Manual
and the Reflex epilepsy and Reflex seizures of the visual system: a
clinical review from
Epileptic Disorders. Volume 2, Number 3, 129-36, Septembre 2000,
Synthèse published by John Libbey, EuroText.

These citations clearly denote that the brainwave state is closer to an

epileptiform pattern than to normal brainwave state, even deeply
relaxed brainwave states. For decades, it has been impossible to
denote via brainwave pattern whether a person is in hypnosis or not as
the output patterns were indistinguishable from those of normal
consciousness. An epileptiform pattern is easily and readily
identifiable and is a purely physiological response to a physiological
stimulus. Hence, photic stimulation, also known as flicker vertigo,
has no relation, physiologically, to hypnosis at all.

Again, shot down.

In a study of 102 Navy helicopter pilots, researchers attempted to (1)
determine the incidence of flicker vertigo or flicker problems during
actual flight operations, and (2) to determine if any helicopter
pilots in an operating squadron would reveal undue sensitivity to
light as shown by marked EEG changes or unusual subjective sensations
during exposure to photic stimulation in the laboratory. One-forth of
the pilots reported flicker during flight as annoying or distracting
but in only one instance was a near-accident attributed to flicker.
None of the EEG responses of this group to photic stimulation could be
classified as even borderline abnormal. Photic stimulation thus does
not appear to be a useful device to detect those who would show
abnormal EEG activity during flicker. Photic stimulation, however, did
identify pilots who had subjective feelings of discomfort during the
flickering light. In addition, and perhaps of considerable importance,
photic stimulation identified 22 pilots who became drowsy and showed
lowered alertness during the period of stimulation.

Source: United States Naval Flight Surgeon's Manual: Third Edition
1991: Chapter 9: Ophthalmology
Perceptual Disorders Naval Aerospace Medical Institute Peer Review
Status: Internally Peer Reviewed

Shot down again. People don't react in the same way as rhesus monkeys.

Studies in epileptic patients show that an epileptiform response to
IPS is found in about 10%-20% of children and 5%-10% of adults, and
that this response is more common in females at any age. The flash
frequencies most likely to elicit a PPR range typically from 9-18
flashes/s. Only about 3% of the photosensitive population is sensitive
to IPS at 1-3 flashes/s. It is important to note that about 48% are
sensitive at 50 flashes/s and that about 15% are sensitive at 60
flashes/s, which are also the frequencies of AC current in Europe and
North America respectively [23].

Photosensitivity does not constitute an epileptic syndrome on its own.
It is found in all the main categories of epileptic disorders and can
be a characteristic of some disorders such as eyelid myoclonia with
absences (EMA) (see below). Sensitivity to IPS is customarily divided
into 3 groups: patients with flicker-induced seizures only, patients
with flicker sensitivity and some other epileptic disorder, and
asymptomatic subjects with photosensitivity as an isolated finding.
Most subjects in this last group are primary school age and adolescent
girls, and many such subjects have migraine [24]. However, this last
category is now unclear, as Kasteleijn-Nolst Trenité et al. have shown

that over half of known photosensitive epilepsy patients questioned
immediately after stimulation denied having had brief but clear-cut
seizures induced by IPS and documented by video-EEG monitoring [25].
This must raise the question of whether asymptomatic photosensitive
subjects have unnoticed reflex seizures triggered by stimuli
encountered in daily life.

Source: Reflex epilepsy and reflex seizures of the visual system: a
clinical review
Epileptic Disorders. Volume 2, Number 3, 129-36, Septembre 2000,
Synthèse
John Libbey EuroText.

Shot down AGAIN. You are NOT having a good day, Ed.

Final shot: Given that there is a specific waveform shown for
hypnosis, see
http://www.nature.com/news/2004/0409...040906-18.html for
details, one can readily see that Ed's assertion that photic
stimulation and hypnosis the same state of mind is physiologically
disproven.

Four shots, all direct hits on your argument, all solid refutations.

YOU LOSE, Ed.

Lee Darrow, C.H.
http://www.leedarrow.com

Deep Trance

(ON-TOPIC) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT
Self-Hypnosis. Animals spontaneously go into the 'Death Trance' to make
being eaten a less than unpleasant experience. And humans in the 'Death
Trance' could care less if you hack off a limb. The following are SOLID
'professional' SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Not Show Businees FLUFF, PUFF, BLUFF
and NO STUFF from flaming idiot Tin Horn hypnotists on a TOOT:
http://www.hypnosis.com/faq/faq2-6.html The "Death Trance" (Coma State
- Plenary Trance) is very REAL in both Humans and Animals. And can be
induced NON-VERBALLY (Benjamin Fraklin was WRONG) with
NON-CONTACT high ENERGY hand passes (or piezoelectric ENERGY) of the
body (Hypnotize the BODY and the MIND will/must follow). There are no
defenses against these kinds o specialized kinesthetic HIGN ENERGY
inducutions. Science does not know why/how the body wants to HIBERNATE
when exposed to HIGH LEVEL sublle body ENERGY (see Ocular Hypnosis)...
"When you know you know you know EVERYTHING to know about HYPNOSIS you
know you know you know NOTHING." -TheShadowNose
>
Eternity Bridge - "The bridge to eternity is built through the hearts
and minds of those who love us. And love is the river that flows
forever beneath it." -Ed McClelland
HypnoTheraPlay(c)
www.HypnoTheraPlay.com www.DeepTrance.com
DeepTrance@WebTV.Net

followthewatch55

Haha I'll do an Ed-like response :

(ON-TOPIC) (THIS IS REAL) (READ THIS) (IMPORTANT VITAL INFORMATION)
(WEBTV RULES) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: Ed thinks that ALL trance
equals hypnosis! INCREDIBLE! So I guess that would mean that people
watching TV are authentically hypnotized when they reach a light trance
state lol.

Eternity Bridge - "The bridge of eternity is what we're on right now,
waiting for Ed and Ray to actually say something that makes sense for
once." - Followthewatch55
MyRandomHypnoProduct(c)(p)(k)(x)(q)(v)
www.myrandomhypnoproduct.com www.deepcrap.com
DeepCrap@ILoveWebTV.Net

Deep Trance

(ON-TOPIC) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT
Self-Hypnosis. Animals spontaneously go into the 'Death Trance' to make
being eaten a less than unpleasant experience. And humans in the 'Death
Trance' could care less if you hack off a limb and have NO MEMORY of
the event. The following are SOLID
'professional' SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Not Show Businees FLUFF, PUFF, BLUFF
and NO STUFF from blowhard flaming idiot Tin Horn hypnotists on a TOOT:
http://www.hypnosis.com/faq/faq2-6.html The "Death Trance" (Coma State
- Plenary Trance) is very REAL in both Humans and Animals. And can be
induced NON-VERBALLY (Benjamin Fraklin was WRONG) with
NON-CONTACT high ENERGY hand passes (or piezoelectric ENERGY) of the
body (Hypnotize the BODY and the MIND will/must follow). There are no
defenses against these kinds o specialized kinesthetic HIGN ENERGY
inducutions. Science does not know why/how the body wants/needs to
HIBERNATE
when exposed to HIGH LEVEL subtle body ENERGY (see Ocular Hypnosis)...
"When you know you know you know EVERYTHING to know about HYPNOSIS you
know you know you know NOTHING." -TheShadowNose
> >
Eternity Bridge - "The bridge to eternity is built through the hearts
and minds of those who love us. And love is the river that flows
forever beneath it." -Ed McClelland
HypnoTheraPlay(c)
www.HypnoTheraPlay.com www.DeepTrance.com
DeepTrance@WebTV.Net

Deep Trance

(ON-TOPIC) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT
Self-Hypnosis. Animals spontaneously go into the 'Death Trance' to make
being eaten a less than unpleasant experience. And humans in the 'Death
Trance' could care less if you hack off a limb and have NO MEMORY of
the event. The following are SOLID
'professional' SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Not Show Businees FLUFF, PUFF, BLUFF
and NO STUFF from blowhard flaming idiot Tin Horn hypnotists on a TOOT:
http://www.hypnosis.com/faq/faq2-6.html The "Death Trance" (Coma State
- Plenary Trance) is very REAL in both Humans and Animals. And can be
induced NON-VERBALLY (Benjamin Fraklin was WRONG) with
NON-CONTACT high ENERGY hand passes (or piezoelectric ENERGY) of the
body (Hypnotize the BODY and the MIND will/must follow). There are no
defenses against these kinds o specialized kinesthetic HIGH ENERGY
inducutions. Science does not know why/how the body wants/needs to
HIBERNATE
when exposed to HIGH LEVEL subtle body ENERGY (see Ocular Hypnosis)...
"When you know you know you know EVERYTHING to know about HYPNOSIS you
know you know you know NOTHING." -TheShadowNose
> > >
Eternity Bridge - "The bridge to eternity is built through the hearts
and minds of those who love us. And love is the river that flows
forever beneath it." -Ed McClelland
HypnoTheraPlay(c)
www.HypnoTheraPlay.com www.DeepTrance.com
DeepTrance@WebTV.Net

Deep Trance

(ON-TOPIC) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT
Self-Hypnosis. Animals spontaneously go into the 'Death Trance' to make
being eaten a less than unpleasant experience. And humans in the 'Death
Trance' could care less if you hack off a limb and have NO MEMORY of
the event. The following are SOLID
> > 'professional' SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Not Show Businees FLUFF, PUFF, BLUFF and NO STUFF from blowhard flaming idiot Tin Horn hypnotists on a TOOT:
http://www.hypnosis.com/faq/faq2-6.html The "Death Trance" (Coma State
- Plenary Trance) is very REAL in both Humans and Animals. And can be
induced NON-VERBALLY (Benjamin Fraklin was WRONG) with
NON-CONTACT high ENERGY hand passes (or piezoelectric ENERGY) of the
body (Hypnotize the BODY and the MIND will/must follow). There are no
defenses against these kinds o specialized kinesthetic HIGH ENERGY
inducutions. Science does not know why/how the body wants/needs to
HIBERNATE
when exposed to HIGH LEVEL subtle body ENERGY (see Ocular Hypnosis)...
"When you know you know you know EVERYTHING to know about HYPNOSIS you
know you know you know NOTHING." -TheShadowNose
> > > > >
Eternity Bridge - "The bridge to eternity is built through the hearts
and minds of those who love us. And love is the river that flows
forever beneath it." -Ed McClelland
HypnoTheraPlay(c)
www.HypnoTheraPlay.com www.DeepTrance.com
DeepTrance@WebTV.Net

mstrhypno

Deep Trance wrote:
> (ON-TOPIC) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT
> Self-Hypnosis. Animals spontaneously go into the 'Death Trance' to make
> being eaten a less than unpleasant experience. And humans in the 'Death
> Trance' could care less if you hack off a limb and have NO MEMORY of
> the event. The following are SOLID
> > > 'professional' SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Not Show Businees FLUFF, PUFF, BLUFF and NO STUFF from blowhard flaming idiot Tin Horn hypnotists on a TOOT:
> http://www.hypnosis.com/faq/faq2-6.html The "Death Trance" (Coma State
> - Plenary Trance) is very REAL in both Humans and Animals. And can be
> induced NON-VERBALLY (Benjamin Fraklin was WRONG) with
> NON-CONTACT high ENERGY hand passes (or piezoelectric ENERGY) of the
> body (Hypnotize the BODY and the MIND will/must follow). There are no
> defenses against these kinds o specialized kinesthetic HIGH ENERGY
> inducutions. Science does not know why/how the body wants/needs to
> HIBERNATE
> when exposed to HIGH LEVEL subtle body ENERGY (see Ocular Hypnosis)...
> "When you know you know you know EVERYTHING to know about HYPNOSIS you
> know you know you know NOTHING." -TheShadowNose
> > > > > >
> Eternity Bridge - "The bridge to eternity is built through the hearts
> and minds of those who love us. And love is the river that flows
> forever beneath it." -Ed McClelland
> HypnoTheraPlay(c)

Okay. Let's play.

Definition & Examples

Piezoelectricity is a coupling between a material's mechanical and
electrical behaviors. In the simplest of terms, when a piezoelectric
material is squeezed, an electric charge collects on its surface.
Conversely, when a piezoelectric material is subjected to a voltage
drop, it mechanically deforms.
Many crystalline materials exhibit piezoelectric behavior. A few
materials exhibit the phenomenon strongly enough to be used in
applications that take advantage of their properties. These include
quartz, Rochelle salt, lead titanate zirconate ceramics (e.g. PZT-4,
PZT-5A, etc.), barium titanate, and polyvinylidene flouride (a polymer
film).

On a nanoscopic scale, piezoelectricity results from a nonuniform
charge distribution within a crystal's unit cells. When such a crystal
is mechanically deformed, the positive and negative charge centers
displace by differing amounts. So while the overall crystal remains
electrically neutral, the difference in charge center displacements
results in an electric polarization within the crystal. Electric
polarization due to mechanical input is perceived as piezoelectricity.

>From an engineering or modeling point of view, piezoelectricity results
in a change to a material's constitutive properties. Many finite
element codes include piezoelectric modeling capability.

Piezoelectricity is described mathematically within a material's
constitutive equation, which defines how the piezoelectric material's
stress (T), strain (S), charge-density displacement (D), and electric
field (E) interact.

History

Piezoelectricity was discovered by Jacques and Pierre Curie in the
1880's during experiments on quartz. Source eFunda.com (fundamentals
of electricity in engineering).

Note: the article and definition notes that piezoelectric charges are
generated via a MECHANICAL and ELECTRICAL coupling. NOT biological and
certainly not something that is inherent to the human biological system
in anywhere near high enough a level to effect the systems of other
individuals or animals. Even if one considers the electric eel a
piezoelectric interaction, the human animal does NOT have the requisite
organs to generate the electrical discharges that this rather unique
creature is capable of.

Again, Ed's argument goes down in scientific refutational flames, once
again.

However, as I have challenged Ed on several prior occasions, I AM
willing to be PROVEN wrong. He states as fact that this method is
irresistible. Okay, Ed - put your technique where your mouth is.

Put up or shut up. I'm willing to allow you to demonstrate this
method, using me as your test subject. YOU state that the method
cannot be resisted. I disagree.

Let's see who is right.

Put up or shut up.

I cite scientific articles and documented experiments to back MY claims
- you cite crystal-flake web pages that sometimes load and sometimes
don't even relate to your claims.

Let's see if you have the courage of your convictions.

Bring it on. I imagine we could even get one of the new age TV shows
to sponsor the demonstration and cover your expenses and mine as well!

Lee Darrow, C.H.
http://www.leedarrow.com

Deep Trance

(ON-TOPIC) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT
Self-Hypnosis. Animals spontaneously go into the 'Death Trance' to make
being eaten a less than unpleasant experience. And humans in the 'Death
Trance' could care less if you hack off a limb and they have NO MEMORY
of the event. The following are SOLID 'professional' SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
Not Show Businees FLUFF, PUFF, BLUFF and NO STUFF from BLOWHARD flaming
idiot Tin Horn hypnotists on a TOOT:
> http://www.hypnosis.com/faq/faq2-6.html The "Death Trance" (Coma State - Plenary Trance) is very REAL in both Humans and Animals. And can be induced NON-VERBALLY (Benjamin Fraklin was WRONG) with
NON-CONTACT high ENERGY hand passes (or piezoelectric ENERGY) of the
body (Hypnotize the BODY and the MIND will/must follow). There are no
defenses against these kinds o specialized kinesthetic HIGH ENERGY
inducutions. Science does not know why/how the body wants/needs to
HIBERNATE when exposed to HIGH LEVEL subtle body ENERGY (see Ocular
Hypnosis)...
"When you know you know you know EVERYTHING to know about HYPNOSIS you
know you know you know NOTHING." -TheShadowNose
> > > > > > > > >
Eternity Bridge - "The bridge to eternity is built through the hearts
and minds of those who love us. And love is the river that flows
forever beneath it." -Ed McClelland
HypnoTheraPlay(c)
www.HypnoTheraPlay.com www.DeepTrance.com
DeepTrance@WebTV.Net

Deep Trance

(ON-TOPIC) HYPNOSIS SECRETS OF TRANCE: ALL Hypnosis Is NOT
Self-Hypnosis. Animals spontaneously go into the 'Death Trance' to make
being eaten a less than unpleasant experience. And humans in the 'Death
Trance' could care less if you hack off a limb and they have NO MEMORY
of the event. The following are SOLID 'professional' SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
Not Show Businees FLUFF, PUFF, BLUFF and NO STUFF from BLOWHARD flaming
idiot Tin Horn hypnotists on a TOOT:
http://www.hypnosis.com/faq/faq2-6.html The "Death Trance" (Coma State
- Plenary Trance) is very REAL in both Humans and Animals. And can be
induced NON-VERBALLY (Benjamin Fraklin was WRONG) with
NON-CONTACT high ENERGY hand passes (or piezoelectric ENERGY) of the
body (Hypnotize the BODY and the MIND will/must follow). There are no
defenses against these kinds o specialized kinesthetic HIGH ENERGY
inducutions. Science does not know why/how the body wants/needs to
HIBERNATE when exposed to HIGH LEVEL subtle body ENERGY (see Ocular
Hypnosis)...
"When you know you know you know EVERYTHING to know about HYPNOSIS you
know you know you know NOTHING." -TheShadowNose
> > > > > > > > > >
Eternity Bridge - "The bridge to eternity is built through the hearts
and minds of those who love us. And love is the river that flows
forever beneath it." -Ed McClelland
HypnoTheraPlay(c)
www.HypnoTheraPlay.com www.DeepTrance.com
DeepTrance@WebTV.Net