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In Design Human Engineering(tm), we teach you how
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your mind to create new and
never-before-experienced powerful states.

It's not really about the tools, although
designing a ruler, electronic measuring device,
magnifying glass or in my case, a machine that
eats up cancer cells (worked for me) etc. could be
valuable, couldn't it? And that's only the
beginning! DHE(tm) helps you to design and install
the elements to propel yourself into futures of
excitement and opportunity.

DHE(tm) shows your mind what's possible, to expand
the field of possibilities. Richard Bandler has
said that anything is possible. And he has proved
it again and again.

The driving force to to take something you do well
and make it better, or simply learn something new,
is inspiring and fun. Join DHE for a never-before
experience. Learn a new way to use submodalities
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UnKa

>Richard Bandler has said that anything is possible, And he has proved it again and again.

Tell me, exactly what has he proved? That is a giant statement to make
without anything to back it up.

You DHE folks continually use the words, mind possibilites, and what is
possible, yet fail to point to any concrete evidence of it's existants.
Mind possiblities and possiblities are just fluff, you fill in the
blanks.

If this is such powerful stuff then why oh why is Richard sick? You
again are ignoring the facts.

Do you offer a money back guarantee? I certainly was not happy with the
cd's I purchased from them, and was not able to get my money back.

>DHE(tm) shows your mind what's possible, to expand the field of possibilities.

Can you give us maybe a tasty example of what your talking about here?

duck

You are barking at an Ad

It's a little like shouting at a billboard

UnKool

UnKa wrote:
> >Richard Bandler has said that anything is possible, And he has proved it again and again.
>
> Tell me, exactly what has he proved? That is a giant statement to make
> without anything to back it up.
>
> You DHE folks continually use the words, mind possibilites, and what is
> possible, yet fail to point to any concrete evidence of it's existants.
> Mind possiblities and possiblities are just fluff, you fill in the
> blanks.
>
> If this is such powerful stuff then why oh why is Richard sick? You
> again are ignoring the facts.
>
> Do you offer a money back guarantee? I certainly was not happy with the
> cd's I purchased from them, and was not able to get my money back.
>
> >DHE(tm) shows your mind what's possible, to expand the field of possibilities.
>
> Can you give us maybe a tasty example of what your talking about here?

UnKa

I am simply asking questions, to which I am sure they will not respond
because the hype doesn't match reality. That is mostly the difference
between what most post on this NG and the 3-D Mind, the hype does match
reality.

The 3-D Mind is soundly based on scientific facts ( Dr. Ken's brain
model )
There are numerous testamonies as to how the 3-D Mind has changed
people's lives, FACTS.
There is a hugh support group for anyone having trouble with the 3-D
Mind, where also idea's are exchanged. FACT.
Money Back guarantee......FACT.

Can anyone any the same?


>You are barking at an Ad
>It's a little like shouting at a billboard

This is a really stupid comparision. Someone wrote that ad, someone
posted that ad, so someone can also answer questions to that ad, if
someone does post an ad and there is no one to answer questions to the
posted ad, then that would be a loss of revenue and pretty much a waste
of time for the poster because if someone was really interested and
asked questions and no one answered, then they would lose a perspective
client.

If you bother to take a close look at the ad, it's all fluff. Not a
single concrete thing is said. Lets take a peek at the ad.

>In Design Human Engineering(tm), we teach you how to design and install tools and >devices inside your mind to create new and never-before-experienced powerful states.

Bullshit...................nothing more than hype with no foundation,
myself and people I know who have either listened too or have gone to
this seminar say the same thing.
After the binoculars part, someone went around asking others if they
could see with this supposedly new thing and everyone said no, but the
part that sucks is people don't want to admit they can't see because
they are afraid that they are the only ones.

>.It's not really about the tools, although designing a ruler, electronic measuring device,
>magnifying glass or in my case, a machine that eats up cancer cells (worked for me) >etc. could be valuable, couldn't it? And that's only the beginning! DHE(tm) helps you to >design and install the elements to propel yourself into futures of excitement and >opportunity.

Now this is a load of crap, just another big hype sales pitch that
won't measure up.
Why can I say that, it's this simple, they want to install all these
good things but they violate congruence with peoples beliefs about
themselves. If the beliefs are not dealt with first then all the tools
in the world won't help them be that. So then all this DHE becames is a
load of more Bandler crap, which people like you lap up like it's manna
from heaven.

So if your going to argue against me, then provide something about DHE
instead of the usual flames, I've provided arguement against it, now
provide some for it.

Ustahi

Well Duck,

I have studied the DHE2000 cd's. Also I've posted Bandler's track of
stories in the apnlp yahoogroup.

Building the binoculars inside me has failed. Anyone built that tool
successfully?

Ustahi

duck

Dood

I ain't arguing with you. That ad looked of the automated sort, that
once posted the poster never checks for any response. And I had this
great comedy image form of you in your dungarees with an Uzi shouting
at a billboard advert for DHE "You're all gonna die, ya bunch of slack
jawed faggots!", then sprayng it full of holes.


UnKa wrote:
> I am simply asking questions, to which I am sure they will not respond
> because the hype doesn't match reality. That is mostly the difference
> between what most post on this NG and the 3-D Mind, the hype does match
> reality.
>
> The 3-D Mind is soundly based on scientific facts ( Dr. Ken's brain
> model )

Who is doctor Ken, is he your dealer ?

>
> >You are barking at an Ad
> >It's a little like shouting at a billboard
>
> This is a really stupid comparision. Someone wrote that ad, someone
> posted that ad, so someone can also answer questions to that ad, if
> someone does post an ad and there is no one to answer questions to the
> posted ad, then that would be a loss of revenue and pretty much a waste
> of time for the poster because if someone was really interested and
> asked questions and no one answered, then they would lose a perspective
> client.
>

Actually it was shit funny and an extraordinarily super intelligent
comparison

> If you bother to take a close look at the ad, it's all fluff. Not a
> single concrete thing is said. Lets take a peek at the ad.
>

There are claims of some stuff, but I have no data on the basis of
those claims so cannot comment.

> >In Design Human Engineering(tm), we teach you how to design and install tools and >devices inside your mind to create new and never-before-experienced powerful states.
>
> Bullshit...................nothing more than hype with no foundation,
> myself and people I know who have either listened too or have gone to
> this seminar say the same thing.
> After the binoculars part, someone went around asking others if they
> could see with this supposedly new thing and everyone said no, but the
> part that sucks is people don't want to admit they can't see because
> they are afraid that they are the only ones.
>

Again, I don't know. I now have one opinion to consider though.

> >.It's not really about the tools, although designing a ruler, electronic measuring device,
> >magnifying glass or in my case, a machine that eats up cancer cells (worked for me) >etc. could be valuable, couldn't it? And that's only the beginning! DHE(tm) helps you to >design and install the elements to propel yourself into futures of excitement and >opportunity.
>
> Now this is a load of crap, just another big hype sales pitch that
> won't measure up.
> Why can I say that, it's this simple, they want to install all these
> good things but they violate congruence with peoples beliefs about
> themselves. If the beliefs are not dealt with first then all the tools
> in the world won't help them be that. So then all this DHE becames is a
> load of more Bandler crap, which people like you lap up like it's manna
> from heaven.
>

Again, I don't know. All I have is your opinion

> So if your going to argue against me, then provide something about DHE
> instead of the usual flames, I've provided arguement against it, now
> provide some for it.

As I said at the start, I'm not arguing, just taking the piss (not sure
what the yank equivalent to that is).

My experience of DHE is this, I know a professional NLPer who did a
trance thing on me (well he believed he did, personally I was just sat
with my eyes closed and really bored) and installed a control knob
which when adjusted would increase or decrease my relaxation. He said
to open my eyes and look at the knob in front of me, I said what knob,
he said "oh, well that didn't work then !". He also told me that the
DHE course improved his hearing by 1000 % and that he was the only one
on the course who really got what it was all about.

For me, the only true test would be to take the course and decide for
myself, however I would never invest in such a course without a great
deal more opinions on it, and understanding of what benefits could be
expected from it. Currently it is on my list of things to be highly
skeptical of (because of the claims). I would be interested to hear
from anyone who has done the course and what thier experience was of
it.

As for the CD's, without Bandler in front of me twisting my neurons, I
wouldn't be interested.

Duck

duck

Ustahi wrote:
> Well Duck,
>

Very well indeed

> I have studied the DHE2000 cd's. Also I've posted Bandler's track of
> stories in the apnlp yahoogroup.
>

Can you point me to this please

> Building the binoculars inside me has failed. Anyone built that tool
> successfully?
>

I'd like to know this too.

> Ustahi

You seem to have gotten the impression, mistakenly, that I am a
proponent of DHE. I know very little about it.

Duck

UnKa

A word of advise, Duck.

Of course anything we say will not be taken into account because of our
reputation, however, if you want to go to a DHE semiar, great. In my
opinion your wasting your time and money, but don't take that as
gospel, do your own research.

When the arguement broke out on this NG about DHE, I've heard a lot of
people come one here and explain what they found on DHE to be so
valuable.

Their main points were imagine the possiblitites, growing new limbs,
binocular eyesight.

There were more but I don't remember what. Now, not one can prove they
have any of these or that any of these things work. Do a search and
find out. Oh also unconscious installation was the biggest load of crap
that was discussed. If the hype can't match reality, then maybe you may
want to consider something different. BUT do research and make sure
they are actually offering something of substance. Or at least get a
money back guarantee, if after a day your not happy.


duck wrote:
> Ustahi wrote:
> > Well Duck,
> >
>
> Very well indeed
>
> > I have studied the DHE2000 cd's. Also I've posted Bandler's track of
> > stories in the apnlp yahoogroup.
> >
>
> Can you point me to this please
>
> > Building the binoculars inside me has failed. Anyone built that tool
> > successfully?
> >
>
> I'd like to know this too.
>
> > Ustahi
>
> You seem to have gotten the impression, mistakenly, that I am a
> proponent of DHE. I know very little about it.
>
> Duck

duck

UnKa wrote:
> A word of advise, Duck.
>
> Of course anything we say will not be taken into account because of our
> reputation,

Uh Oh, my mind reader alert warning light has just gone of, I'd better
contact Comissioner Gordon.

>however, if you want to go to a DHE semiar, great. In my
> opinion your wasting your time and money, but don't take that as
> gospel, do your own research.
>

Dood, If I had lots of cash...as in lots of cash, I'd go, just to know
for myself. I am not currently thinking of going, due to the lack of
reason for going.

> When the arguement broke out on this NG about DHE, I've heard a lot of
> people come one here and explain what they found on DHE to be so
> valuable.
>
> Their main points were imagine the possiblitites, growing new limbs,
> binocular eyesight.
>
> There were more but I don't remember what. Now, not one can prove they
> have any of these or that any of these things work. Do a search and
> find out.

I did, and there was scant reports of actual tangible benefits.

> Oh also unconscious installation was the biggest load of crap
> that was discussed.

I'm not sure what the deal is hear, I hear a lot of people saying it is
bullshit, but I have not yet noticed anyone saying it works or that
they use it. Why does the subject keep popping up, who claims that
they are using it ?

I did a practitioner about 8 years ago, with Bandler and towards the
end he said that if anyone tells you that they are installing skills
into you unconscioulsy, kick them in the nuts and demand your money
back. So who is it that claims to install skills unconsciously ?

>If the hype can't match reality, then maybe you may
> want to consider something different. BUT do research and make sure
> they are actually offering something of substance. Or at least get a
> money back guarantee, if after a day your not happy.
>
>

Once again, It is not on my list of things to do, I am just interested
in listening to the experiences of those whove done the seminar


Fuck !!!!......a new penis has just grown out of my forehead, and even
with my telescopic sight I cannot see the end of it....proper head f**k
!

Duck

> duck wrote:
> > Ustahi wrote:
> > > Well Duck,
> > >
> >
> > Very well indeed
> >
> > > I have studied the DHE2000 cd's. Also I've posted Bandler's track of
> > > stories in the apnlp yahoogroup.
> > >
> >
> > Can you point me to this please
> >
> > > Building the binoculars inside me has failed. Anyone built that tool
> > > successfully?
> > >
> >
> > I'd like to know this too.
> >
> > > Ustahi
> >
> > You seem to have gotten the impression, mistakenly, that I am a
> > proponent of DHE. I know very little about it.
> >
> > Duck

Cameron

<terrancejack@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149166855.480610.45660@h76g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> In all seriousness, for those you have been to DHE - what specific
> skills are taught at a DHE seminar? I have the DHE CD set and most all
> of it is Richard doing hypnotic stories and some submodality work. Is
> there anything that is new in DHE that is not in NLP? What topics are
> taught in this program that are not taught in a regular NLP training?
>
> -Terry

Yeah, and no one has replied yet to the question someone posted about the
"internal binoculars" pice of whateveryoucallit I'ld be intrested to see if
anyone had experience with that.

Come to think of it, a testimonial of any tech that doesn't sound like it
was put together by a marketing department would sound refreshing to me.

terrancejack@yahoo.com

In all seriousness, for those you have been to DHE - what specific
skills are taught at a DHE seminar? I have the DHE CD set and most all
of it is Richard doing hypnotic stories and some submodality work. Is
there anything that is new in DHE that is not in NLP? What topics are
taught in this program that are not taught in a regular NLP training?

-Terry


UnKa wrote:
> >Richard Bandler has said that anything is possible, And he has proved it again and again.
>
> Tell me, exactly what has he proved? That is a giant statement to make
> without anything to back it up.
>
> You DHE folks continually use the words, mind possibilites, and what is
> possible, yet fail to point to any concrete evidence of it's existants.
> Mind possiblities and possiblities are just fluff, you fill in the
> blanks.
>
> If this is such powerful stuff then why oh why is Richard sick? You
> again are ignoring the facts.
>
> Do you offer a money back guarantee? I certainly was not happy with the
> cd's I purchased from them, and was not able to get my money back.
>
> >DHE(tm) shows your mind what's possible, to expand the field of possibilities.
>
> Can you give us maybe a tasty example of what your talking about here?