Richard Knight

good mornig/evening to you all

the quetion i have is

can 3D mind help me give up smoking?

many thanks
richard

John

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:53:41 GMT, "Richard Knight"
<dontspamme.richard.knight@wooble.com> wrote:

>good mornig/evening to you all
>
>the quetion i have is
>
>can 3D mind help me give up smoking?


Have a look here and you shold be able to find out.
www.essential-skills.com

--
John
The more I practice the luckier I seem to get - Arnold Palmer

Richard Knight

looked there
doesn't say anything about smoking

"John" <yjdyhugo@d8hujsrfu> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:53:41 GMT, "Richard Knight"
> <dontspamme.richard.knight@wooble.com> wrote:
>
>>good mornig/evening to you all
>>
>>the quetion i have is
>>
>>can 3D mind help me give up smoking?
>
>
> Have a look here and you shold be able to find out.
> www.essential-skills.com
>
> --
> John
> The more I practice the luckier I seem to get - Arnold Palmer

John

On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:11:05 GMT, "Richard Knight"
<dontspamme.richard.knight@wooble.com> wrote:

>looked there
>doesn't say anything about smoking

That's because smoking is only a symptom of the problem you have. The
real problem is the belief you have about yourself and the states that
drive this belief needs to be rebalanced.

There is a group you can join where I am sure they will be able to
answer any question about the 3D Mind you may have.

--
John

I don't believe in astrology, I am a Sagittarian and we are very
sceptical about these sot of things

Tom Vizzini

I answered this in a video blog. Feel free to listen to it at

http://essential-skills.com/VBLOG/videoBlog.html



The title is 3D mind and Smoking. Feel free to ask any questions here.



Tom



"Richard Knight" <dontspamme.richard.knight@wooble.com> wrote in message
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> good mornig/evening to you all
>
> the quetion i have is
>
> can 3D mind help me give up smoking?
>
> many thanks
> richard
>
>

do

"John" <yjdyhugo@d8hujsrfu> wrote:
>
> That's because smoking is only a symptom of the problem you have. The
> real problem is the belief you have about yourself and the states that
> drive this belief needs to be rebalanced.

What is "states"?

Can you give few examples of states, for one belief?
And how much states build one belief?

Can we have more bad belief?

And what is it when one fell "I can't do _anything_"?
Is it state, or belief?

Vince

The best way to quit smoking is to meet a tabacologist.

Each smoker is diffent. Tabacologists are professionnal therapists using CBT
and medication if needed.
To get rid of it, all aspects of addiction must be taken into account
(physiologic, cognitive, behavioural and social).
For 6.00 ? per sessions, you have professional follow-up, and dedicated
support.

Fist session can last up to 2 hours to draw your addiction profile. From
this profile a dedicated therapy will emerge to suit to your personality. As
the case may be, tabacologist could also use hypnosis to prevent relapse.

This is, actually, the best way to quit smoking.

Whatever you choose, give us feedback.



"Richard Knight" <dontspamme.richard.knight@wooble.com> a écrit dans le
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> good mornig/evening to you all
>
> the quetion i have is
>
> can 3D mind help me give up smoking?
>
> many thanks
> richard
>

do

"John" <yjdyhugo@d8hujsrfu> wrote in:
>
> That's because smoking is only a symptom of the problem you have. The
> real problem is the belief you have about yourself and the states that
> drive this belief needs to be rebalanced.

I have two friends with this beliefs, and we can tell them that that is not
truth, and they know it's not, but they anyway feel bad all the time.
How you find states for this two beliefs?
Can 3D Mind help with this?

Woman say:
"I'm ugly!", "I believe I'm ugly!"
Why?
"Because my mum said it to me all the time when I was kid, and some boys
said it to me when I was kid in the school."

Man:
"I'm short, small, and stupid, and no girl will ever be with me!"
He believe he is short, small, and stupid, because his parents tell him that
all the time when he was a kid.

dracozna

do wrote:
> "John" <yjdyhugo@d8hujsrfu> wrote in:
>>
>> That's because smoking is only a symptom of the problem you have. The
>> real problem is the belief you have about yourself and the states that
>> drive this belief needs to be rebalanced.
>
> I have two friends with this beliefs, and we can tell them that that is
> not truth, and they know it's not, but they anyway feel bad all the time.
> How you find states for this two beliefs?
> Can 3D Mind help with this?
>
> Woman say:
> "I'm ugly!", "I believe I'm ugly!"
> Why?
> "Because my mum said it to me all the time when I was kid, and some boys
> said it to me when I was kid in the school."
>
> Man:
> "I'm short, small, and stupid, and no girl will ever be with me!"
> He believe he is short, small, and stupid, because his parents tell him
> that all the time when he was a kid.


I'm no expert on this. But if they started to believe that because
someone told them a lot of times. Wouldn't it help if they are told a
lot of times that they aren't what they ugly, short etc. ?

Tom Vizzini

"do" <do@email.com> wrote in message news:ebpioi$7ul$1@ss408.t-com.hr...

>
> I have two friends with this beliefs, and we can tell them that that is
not
> truth, and they know it's not, but they anyway feel bad all the time.
> How you find states for this two beliefs?
> Can 3D Mind help with this?
>
> Woman say:
> "I'm ugly!", "I believe I'm ugly!"
> Why?
> "Because my mum said it to me all the time when I was kid, and some boys
> said it to me when I was kid in the school."

Never ask why. That leads to a long story about their past.

>
> Man:
> "I'm short, small, and stupid, and no girl will ever be with me!"
> He believe he is short, small, and stupid, because his parents tell him
that
> all the time when he was a kid.

Again the past makes no difference in today. The problem is what they
believe about themselves. If you are buried in shit I can tell you all day
it is flowers but you are not going to believe me.

It has become their reality. That reality is emotion driven. Once you
balance the emotions you can change the reality.

Make sense?

Tom


--
Tom Vizzini

Real Skills for the Real World
www.essential-skills.com
New Gold Members Area www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1056
3D Mind www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1043







>

do

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
> Again the past makes no difference in today. The problem is what they
> believe about themselves. If you are buried in shit I can tell you all day
> it is flowers but you are not going to believe me.
>
> It has become their reality. That reality is emotion driven. Once you
> balance the emotions you can change the reality.
>
> Make sense?

No!

Because I wrote what they believe now about them self!
She believe/feel she is ugly, and he believe/feel he is short, small, and
stupid.

They did have bad childhood, and bad parents.
Now it is easy if someone tell you you are stupid, you can handle that.
But when you are kid you believe what parents tell you and you become what
they tell you.


Now, what are states/driver for this two beliefs (if those are beliefs?)

-"I'm ugly!", "I believe I'm ugly!"
-"I'm short, small, and stupid, and no girl will ever be with me!"

Bad parents?
But how you can "cure" with 3D Mind "bad parents"?

Tom Vizzini

"do" <do@email.com> wrote in message news:ebq4fu$eeq$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
> "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:

> >
> > Make sense?
>
> No!
>
> Because I wrote what they believe now about them self!
> She believe/feel she is ugly, and he believe/feel he is short, small, and
> stupid.

yes that you can do something about.

>
> They did have bad childhood, and bad parents.
> Now it is easy if someone tell you you are stupid, you can handle that.
> But when you are kid you believe what parents tell you and you become what
> they tell you.

Not imporetant. What happened int he past is over. So it is not helpful

>
>
> Now, what are states/driver for this two beliefs (if those are beliefs?)
>
> -"I'm ugly!", "I believe I'm ugly!"
> -"I'm short, small, and stupid, and no girl will ever be with me!"

Everyone's drivers will be different. So I cannot anser this.


>
> Bad parents?
> But how you can "cure" with 3D Mind "bad parents"?

You can't.

make sense yet?

Tom,

--
Tom Vizzini

Real Skills for the Real World
www.essential-skills.com
New Gold Members Area www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1056
3D Mind www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1043

do

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
> make sense yet?
>

No, and probably no one here understand you.

If you don't want to answer, just say.
You know, I don't have time for this.

Bye.

Tom Vizzini

"do" <do@email.com> wrote in message news:ebq7a3$jpc$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
> "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
> >
> > make sense yet?
> >
>
> No, and probably no one here understand you.
>
> If you don't want to answer, just say.
> You know, I don't have time for this.

Amazing. You just can't help people who are too damn lazy to help
themselves.

The concept is simepl. The past is meaningless. There is no good information
there.

The beliefs they have now about themselves are the problem

emotions make up those beliefs

balance the emotions and they will get better.

if you are too lazy to do this then I can't help you

Tom


--
Tom Vizzini

Real Skills for the Real World
www.essential-skills.com
New Gold Members Area www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1056
3D Mind www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1043



>
> Bye.

do

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
> The concept is simepl. The past is meaningless. There is no good
> information
> there.
>
> The beliefs they have now about themselves are the problem
>
> emotions make up those beliefs

So, states = drivers = emotions?

If it is, then why don't you call it emotions, instead of states/drivers?

>
> balance the emotions and they will get better.

Fear of what father/mother think (or will maybe say) is emotion?
Right?
Then you with 3D Mind change that fear (fear of parents, or any other fear)?



Also, what is belief and states/drivers when person feel worthless and no
good, because that person have one leg short 10cm (born like that), don't
have friends, can't find job, etc.?
Here no fear exist?
Just feeling bad about body condition.
How to help here?
That body condition is permanent.

How 3D Mind can work with that?

Tom Vizzini

"do" <do@email.com> wrote in message news:ebqaip$q4m$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
> "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
> >
> > The concept is simepl. The past is meaningless. There is no good
> > information
> > there.
> >
> > The beliefs they have now about themselves are the problem
> >
> > emotions make up those beliefs
>
> So, states = drivers = emotions?
>
> If it is, then why don't you call it emotions, instead of states/drivers?

Who cares...use the concept.

>
> >
> > balance the emotions and they will get better.
>
> Fear of what father/mother think (or will maybe say) is emotion?
> Right?
> Then you with 3D Mind change that fear (fear of parents, or any other
fear)?

It is not about what other people think or belief. It is all about what they
think and belief about themselves.


>
>
>
> Also, what is belief and states/drivers when person feel worthless and no
> good, because that person have one leg short 10cm (born like that), don't
> have friends, can't find job, etc.?

Sure I have a guy with one arm who was feeling the same way. He was born
that way. he couldn't get motivated to find a job or make friends. Now he
has a great job and a good social life.

> Here no fear exist?
> Just feeling bad about body condition.
> How to help here?
> That body condition is permanent.

It is not always about fear.

>
> How 3D Mind can work with that?

Easily

Listen to these videos

http://essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1043

Tom

>

do

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
>> Here no fear exist?
>> Just feeling bad about body condition.
>> How to help here?
>> That body condition is permanent.
>
> It is not always about fear.

But it is about emotions (how/what we feel about that belief), or how you
call it states/drivers.

So, 3D Mind:
-find belief one have about him - worthless
-find emotions (states/drivers) which make up those belief - fear of parents
-do 3D Mind "way" to change these emotions (states/drivers) - change "fear
of parents"

P.S. I can't watch that video now (Applet not found?).

Tom Vizzini

"do" <do@email.com> wrote in message news:ebqcfv$gk$1@ss408.t-com.hr...
> "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Here no fear exist?
> >> Just feeling bad about body condition.
> >> How to help here?
> >> That body condition is permanent.
> >
> > It is not always about fear.
>
> But it is about emotions (how/what we feel about that belief), or how you
> call it states/drivers.
>
> So, 3D Mind:
> -find belief one have about him - worthless
> -find emotions (states/drivers) which make up those belief - fear of
parents
> -do 3D Mind "way" to change these emotions (states/drivers) - change "fear
> of parents"

Yep

>
> P.S. I can't watch that video now (Applet not found?).

You need java enabled.

Tom

>

do

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
>> So, 3D Mind:
>> -find belief one have about him - worthless
>> -find emotions (states/drivers) which make up those belief - fear of
> parents
>> -do 3D Mind "way" to change these emotions (states/drivers) - change
>> "fear
>> of parents"
>
> Yep

I just read about NLP, and there I can find that belief are make up of
values, not emotions (states/drivers)?
Or is it somehow same thing?

bhouncy

> I'm no expert on this. But if they started to believe that because
> someone told them a lot of times. Wouldn't it help if they are told a lot
> of times that they aren't what they ugly, short etc. ?

I saw Paul McKenna work with this one woman who hated her image and said she
was ugly etc. So he asked if she believed in God. She said yes. He then
asked "does God think you're ugly?". She broke down in tears and said "No".
That was a breakthrough I guess.

UnKa

This thing about being ugly is only a state of mind, it is not true but
they hold it as if it was true. Children tend to believe thier parents
not matter what the parent tells them.

My grand daughter is 5, I have often told her she is smart and funny
and beautiful.

Guess what, she believes that to be true about herself and acts as if
it was true.

So her thinking she, your friend, is ugly, that is only a belief she
has about herself.
Easy to change.

Your short friend is the same way. Where ya from? I am thinking I would
be happy to help them. e-mail me privately. We can set up a time.


Tim

UnKa

That was a very good use of reframing.

bhouncy wrote:

> I saw Paul McKenna work with this one woman who hated her image and said she
> was ugly etc. So he asked if she believed in God. She said yes. He then
> asked "does God think you're ugly?". She broke down in tears and said "No".
> That was a breakthrough I guess.

John

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:35:14 +0200, "do" <do@email.com> wrote:

>"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, 3D Mind:
>>> -find belief one have about him - worthless
>>> -find emotions (states/drivers) which make up those belief - fear of
>> parents
>>> -do 3D Mind "way" to change these emotions (states/drivers) - change
>>> "fear
>>> of parents"
>>
>> Yep
>
>I just read about NLP, and there I can find that belief are make up of
>values, not emotions (states/drivers)?
>Or is it somehow same thing?

First off it can appear that you are asking for information and
therefore I will supply you with the facts of the case.

It's not like that. NLP and most other psychological theories are
built on ideas and models. The thing they have in common is that they
are useful. Most are un-provable scientifically. There is much
research going on and much is being learnt but the brain is such a
complex process we are only scratching the surface.

So if someone tells you they are giving you scientifically proven
facts about how the brain works then treat it with caution. What they
may give you is their model of the world. Here is mine.

If anything it's the other way around, values are made of beliefs or
rather values are beliefs but of a special nature. Values are the
beliefs which are important enough for us to spend time and money on.
I may believe in the laws of thermodynamics or that people who smoke
are evil but that's as far as it goes. I may believe in God or not as
many do. However, when my belief starts to drive my behaviours such
that I go to church regularly, help out in soup kittens or spend time
saving fallen woman then it takes on another level of importance - it
is a value.

If you want to find out what peoples values are don't ask them for
they will tell you what they would like you to hear. Ask then how they
spend their time during the week or month. These behaviours will then
start to identify the beliefs they hold dear.

Now some believe that beliefs are created by emotions only. So if
something bad happen then emotions run high and strong beliefs may be
borne. For example being attacked by a snake especially when you a
young then a phobia can be created - but not always. If I do good
things then it's because I love God or hate the small of smoke etc. My
own take is that beliefs are more complex that that and may also be
created through our capacity to reason.

Emotions are certainly drivers for behaviour as are beliefs but in the
end they are patterns of neurological connection, made and broken
through the use of chemicals. If you call those patterns emotions then
so be it. If you slice a brain open you will be hard pushed to find a
belief or an emotion.

Hope that is useful. If not you can disregard the lot and come up with
you own model and you won't be wrong.

--
John

If you aren't part of the solution, then there is good money to be
made prolonging the problem