Georgios Diamantopoulos

Dear all,

I have been looking at NLP courses for the last couple of weeks and the
most convenient I have found (location, price, trainer) is offering a 14
consecutive day course for the Practitioner, Master Practitioner and NLP
Hypnotherapist.

Does anyone have any experiences with or insights about these kind of
accelerated courses that can share with me? Did it work for you? Did it
not? Is it viable with the right trainer?

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Regards

Georgios

HellBoy

Dear Georgios:

nlp is a placebo discipline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-l...ic_programming

Read this link carefully.

Then read this link

http://www.sueknight.co.uk/Publicati..._Plausible.htm

* Only eight of these studies (23%) supported the use and legitimacy of
eye accessing cues. * The rest 27 (77 per cent) stated that
eye-accessing cues appeared to have no significant positive or negative
impact when utilised in personal interactions.

Robert Todd Carol of the Skeptics Dictionary website states:

It seems that NLP develops models which can't be verified, from which
it develops techniques which may have nothing to do with either the
models or the sources of the models. NLP makes claims about thinking
and perception which do not seem to be supported by neuroscience.

Ouch that statement hurt nlp.

Then the rest of these links then decide if you really want to persue
nlp.

http://skepdic.com/comments/neurocom.html
http://www.rosenoire.org/essays/nlp.php
http://www.geocities.com/bandlertrial/bandler1.html

The last link is about one of the co-developers of nlp which he
couldn't use to help himself.



Tim

Greg Wormald

Georgios,
The issue is only partly about how good the course is. And that part
applies to any course, not just short ones.
The accelerated courses are only effective if they are at a useful
speed FOR YOU. How quickly do you learn? Do you like to have time to
practice, notice what is happening, ask questions, and then refine
your practice? Or do you like it all in one chunk so you can chew it
over later?
There is no real trick in presenting information quickly. You can
actually read all you need to know to be a Master Practitioner and
hynotherapist in a few hours! How long it takes to integrate it into
your behaviour is another question.
FWIW I learn fairly quickly and I spread my Practitioner and Master
Practitioner courses out over several years so I could DO, not just
KNOW.
Hope this helps.
Greg

duck

Fuckwit

you have done it again, just like you always do, instead of answering
the questions you go on your "NLP is placebo" rant.

He did not ask for opinions on NLP, he asked for opinions on the
courses. If you have attended the ones he is querying then give an
opinion, otherwise you are not in a position to give a useful response.

Just for once, answer the goddam questions, if you can.

HellBoy wrote:
> Dear Georgios:
>
> nlp is a placebo discipline.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-l...ic_programming
>
> Read this link carefully.
>
> Then read this link
>
> http://www.sueknight.co.uk/Publicati..._Plausible.htm
>
> * Only eight of these studies (23%) supported the use and legitimacy of
> eye accessing cues. * The rest 27 (77 per cent) stated that
> eye-accessing cues appeared to have no significant positive or negative
> impact when utilised in personal interactions.
>
> Robert Todd Carol of the Skeptics Dictionary website states:
>
> It seems that NLP develops models which can't be verified, from which
> it develops techniques which may have nothing to do with either the
> models or the sources of the models. NLP makes claims about thinking
> and perception which do not seem to be supported by neuroscience.
>
> Ouch that statement hurt nlp.
>
> Then the rest of these links then decide if you really want to persue
> nlp.
>
> http://skepdic.com/comments/neurocom.html
> http://www.rosenoire.org/essays/nlp.php
> http://www.geocities.com/bandlertrial/bandler1.html
>
> The last link is about one of the co-developers of nlp which he
> couldn't use to help himself.
>
>
>
> Tim

HellBoy

Dear Ducky

I surely would hate to see him spend his hard earned money on bullshit,
but then people like you don't want facts, you just want to float along
and everything is hunky dory.

I think they all need to see the other side, instead of the hype and
con pulled by those who would love to sell snake oil, then they can
make an informed decision as to weather they should persue it or not.
Unlike you who went to a seminar, got good feelings, a changed happened
( of course I am going to say Placebo ) and now you think it is the
ultimate truth.
If you only could step out and see how stuck in stupid land you really
are.

But your like the many, many others of the nlp mindless cult who thinks
they have a handle on the truth when in fact it is a self deluding
belief, but then talking to you and your like is just as pointless as
tits on a boar hog.

Dude, before you decide to persue nlp, you may want to do some in depth
research.
But then again the nlp world would love it if you didn't, for then the
spotlight would shine in the shadows where they hide. Insist on facts,
not opinions.


HellBoy


duck wrote:
> Fuckwit
>
> you have done it again, just like you always do, instead of answering
> the questions you go on your "NLP is placebo" rant.
>
> He did not ask for opinions on NLP, he asked for opinions on the
> courses. If you have attended the ones he is querying then give an
> opinion, otherwise you are not in a position to give a useful response.
>
> Just for once, answer the goddam questions, if you can.
>
> HellBoy wrote:
> > Dear Georgios:
> >
> > nlp is a placebo discipline.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-l...ic_programming
> >
> > Read this link carefully.
> >
> > Then read this link
> >
> > http://www.sueknight.co.uk/Publicati..._Plausible.htm
> >
> > * Only eight of these studies (23%) supported the use and legitimacy of
> > eye accessing cues. * The rest 27 (77 per cent) stated that
> > eye-accessing cues appeared to have no significant positive or negative
> > impact when utilised in personal interactions.
> >
> > Robert Todd Carol of the Skeptics Dictionary website states:
> >
> > It seems that NLP develops models which can't be verified, from which
> > it develops techniques which may have nothing to do with either the
> > models or the sources of the models. NLP makes claims about thinking
> > and perception which do not seem to be supported by neuroscience.
> >
> > Ouch that statement hurt nlp.
> >
> > Then the rest of these links then decide if you really want to persue
> > nlp.
> >
> > http://skepdic.com/comments/neurocom.html
> > http://www.rosenoire.org/essays/nlp.php
> > http://www.geocities.com/bandlertrial/bandler1.html
> >
> > The last link is about one of the co-developers of nlp which he
> > couldn't use to help himself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim

duck

And still you have not answered the question.

You are also a bit dim, and have some kind of amnesia problems. I have
told you my stance on NLP many times, and yet to you I am still a
Bandlers cock sucking culty deluded dumbass.

If you only could step out and see how stuck in stupid land you really
are.

HellBoy wrote:
> Dear Ducky
>
> I surely would hate to see him spend his hard earned money on bullshit,
> but then people like you don't want facts, you just want to float along
> and everything is hunky dory.
>
> I think they all need to see the other side, instead of the hype and
> con pulled by those who would love to sell snake oil, then they can
> make an informed decision as to weather they should persue it or not.
> Unlike you who went to a seminar, got good feelings, a changed happened
> ( of course I am going to say Placebo ) and now you think it is the
> ultimate truth.
> If you only could step out and see how stuck in stupid land you really
> are.
>
> But your like the many, many others of the nlp mindless cult who thinks
> they have a handle on the truth when in fact it is a self deluding
> belief, but then talking to you and your like is just as pointless as
> tits on a boar hog.
>
> Dude, before you decide to persue nlp, you may want to do some in depth
> research.
> But then again the nlp world would love it if you didn't, for then the
> spotlight would shine in the shadows where they hide. Insist on facts,
> not opinions.
>
>
> HellBoy
>
>
> duck wrote:
> > Fuckwit
> >
> > you have done it again, just like you always do, instead of answering
> > the questions you go on your "NLP is placebo" rant.
> >
> > He did not ask for opinions on NLP, he asked for opinions on the
> > courses. If you have attended the ones he is querying then give an
> > opinion, otherwise you are not in a position to give a useful response.
> >
> > Just for once, answer the goddam questions, if you can.
> >
> > HellBoy wrote:
> > > Dear Georgios:
> > >
> > > nlp is a placebo discipline.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-l...ic_programming
> > >
> > > Read this link carefully.
> > >
> > > Then read this link
> > >
> > > http://www.sueknight.co.uk/Publicati..._Plausible.htm
> > >
> > > * Only eight of these studies (23%) supported the use and legitimacy of
> > > eye accessing cues. * The rest 27 (77 per cent) stated that
> > > eye-accessing cues appeared to have no significant positive or negative
> > > impact when utilised in personal interactions.
> > >
> > > Robert Todd Carol of the Skeptics Dictionary website states:
> > >
> > > It seems that NLP develops models which can't be verified, from which
> > > it develops techniques which may have nothing to do with either the
> > > models or the sources of the models. NLP makes claims about thinking
> > > and perception which do not seem to be supported by neuroscience.
> > >
> > > Ouch that statement hurt nlp.
> > >
> > > Then the rest of these links then decide if you really want to persue
> > > nlp.
> > >
> > > http://skepdic.com/comments/neurocom.html
> > > http://www.rosenoire.org/essays/nlp.php
> > > http://www.geocities.com/bandlertrial/bandler1.html
> > >
> > > The last link is about one of the co-developers of nlp which he
> > > couldn't use to help himself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim

Cameron

"duck" <jism_monkey2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1162306226.784229.243960@f16g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> And still you have not answered the question.
>
> You are also a bit dim, and have some kind of amnesia problems. I have
> told you my stance on NLP many times, and yet to you I am still a
> Bandlers cock sucking culty deluded dumbass.
>
> If you only could step out and see how stuck in stupid land you really
> are.
>

I'll join in on that comment, after arriving and airing concerns about
charasmatic training in general, actually agreeing with unk that "NLP'res"
should put more free NLP material on the net if it's so good, and comenting
that there isnt much research for a field that has been round for a while,
and Clearly stating that I' do not consider myself as a NLP'er. Unk/ Tim/
Monsterbrat/ Hellboy still posts publically as if he was responding to me
and I'me Ritchard Bandlers right hand man.

I still have concerns about charasmatic training, have found so much free
NLP stuff on the web I have given up on indexing it all, found that while
there isn't much research yet, people are working on it and that "hell boy"
sees everyone who has not baught into his favourite product as a ranting
NLP'er.

duck

Indeed

I do however like the ongoing contradiction in Timmys thinking:

Timmy : It is results that count
NLPer : I get results with NLP
Timmy : But NLP is placebo
NLPer : I get results with NLP, it is results that count
Timmy : You are a goat fucking,bandlers cock sucking, granny boning
dumbass retard
NLPer : I get results with NLP

Also, Timmy seems to have this deluded belief that anyone interested in
NLP is closed to every other model. I used to find him humorous, but
you get kinda bored with the same ole routine after a short while, he
seems to lack flexibility, has no ability to pace, cannot debate, does
not ask good questions and sees everyone on this group as the retarded
enemy. He likes to think himself enlightened, but it in doing so he
has just closed himself down. It's a real shame, if he could think for
himself he would be a worthy contributor to this group.

Comically, on the 3D mind group, he is considered a guru, tells you a
little about the state of that group.

Duck
Cameron wrote:
> "duck" <jism_monkey2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1162306226.784229.243960@f16g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > And still you have not answered the question.
> >
> > You are also a bit dim, and have some kind of amnesia problems. I have
> > told you my stance on NLP many times, and yet to you I am still a
> > Bandlers cock sucking culty deluded dumbass.
> >
> > If you only could step out and see how stuck in stupid land you really
> > are.
> >
>
> I'll join in on that comment, after arriving and airing concerns about
> charasmatic training in general, actually agreeing with unk that "NLP'res"
> should put more free NLP material on the net if it's so good, and comenting
> that there isnt much research for a field that has been round for a while,
> and Clearly stating that I' do not consider myself as a NLP'er. Unk/ Tim/
> Monsterbrat/ Hellboy still posts publically as if he was responding to me
> and I'me Ritchard Bandlers right hand man.
>
> I still have concerns about charasmatic training, have found so much free
> NLP stuff on the web I have given up on indexing it all, found that while
> there isn't much research yet, people are working on it and that "hell boy"
> sees everyone who has not baught into his favourite product as a ranting
> NLP'er.

John

On 1 Nov 2006 00:19:19 -0800, "duck" <jism_monkey2002@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>Indeed
>
>I do however like the ongoing contradiction in Timmys thinking:
>
>Timmy : It is results that count
>NLPer : I get results with NLP
>Timmy : But NLP is placebo
>NLPer : I get results with NLP, it is results that count
>Timmy : You are a goat fucking,bandlers cock sucking, granny boning
>dumbass retard
>NLPer : I get results with NLP
>
>Also, Timmy seems to have this deluded belief that anyone interested in
>NLP is closed to every other model. I used to find him humorous, but
>you get kinda bored with the same ole routine after a short while, he
>seems to lack flexibility, has no ability to pace, cannot debate, does
>not ask good questions and sees everyone on this group as the retarded
>enemy.

....and their just his strengths.

--
John

HellBoy

duck wrote:
> Indeed
>
> I do however like the ongoing contradiction in Timmys thinking:
>
> Timmy : It is results that count

Yes

> NLPer : I get results with NLP

Yes, placebo also counts

> Timmy : But NLP is placebo

Yes


> NLPer : I get results with NLP, it is results that count

Some do, most don't, for those that do, kudo's to you but it doesn't
mean it's a worthwhile discipline to follow. Men fox holes change
during war, does that mean we should send everyone who wants change to
war? Or that it is a worthwhile venue for change?


> Timmy : You are a goat fucking,bandlers cock sucking, granny boning
> dumbass retard

I never said Goat fucking........<8^]


> NLPer : I get results with NLP.

Even placebo's get effects about 50% of the time. So what is your
point???
>
> Also, Timmy seems to have this deluded belief that anyone interested in
> NLP is closed to every other model.

I never said that, your placing word in my mouth like Bandler places
his cock in yours.
what I said is people should do a little research on nlp before they
buy the hype.


>I used to find him humorous, but you get kinda bored with the same
ole routine after a short while,

So what keeps you coming back, you like abuse or you still got an eye
on my ass?


>he seems to lack flexibility, has no ability to pace, cannot debate,

I have plenty of flexability, I can either call you a cock sucker or a
dickhead, I have paced you, but it is hard to keep pace with a
dimwitted moron who grunts his sentences. Debates you and the others
have again and again refused? You don't want debate, you want opinions
based on well other opinions.


>does not ask good questions

I aske real good questions, like where are the facts which prove nlp
works, where is the research, why won't nlp people back their shit up
with money back guarantee's?
I think those are pretty good questions which have yet to be answered.


and sees everyone on this group as the retarded

No, only a select few, I don't think your retarded, your not smart
enough to be retarded.


>He likes to think himself enlightened,

Please find a post of mine where I stated that? Or are you once again
projecting what you think I think? But if I thought you were thinking
what I was thinking then the thought doesn't matter because the
thinking isn't really thinking. Hey, Kidding


>but it in doing so he has just closed himself down.

Oh God, another unqualified super nlp'er to diagnose me, how pathetic.
What qaulifications do you have to make a statement like that?

>It's a real shame, if he could think for
> himself he would be a worthy contributor to this group.

Sort of like you? Who does nothing but bitch and complain about me, or
Tom or Tom's post or about the large skid marks in your underwear?
>
> Comically, on the 3D mind group, he is considered a guru, tells you a
> little about the state of that group.

Yes, it tells you that the group is not willing to settle for the
bullshit consistantly spewed out by the nlp community, that they demand
results and don't want to hear the airy fairy bullshit.
They want information they can use, unlike most of the people who
attend nlp seminars and years later are still trying to figure it out.
Sorry Captain Doo Dod pants if you can't deliver.


HellBoy

duck

HellBoy wrote:
> duck wrote:
> > Indeed
> >
> > I do however like the ongoing contradiction in Timmys thinking:
> >
> > Timmy : It is results that count
>
> Yes
>
> > NLPer : I get results with NLP
>
> Yes, placebo also counts
>
> > Timmy : But NLP is placebo
>
> Yes
>
>
> > NLPer : I get results with NLP, it is results that count
>
> Some do, most don't,

How do you know, do you know most NLP practitioners, do you know even
10.

>for those that do, kudo's to you but it doesn't
> mean it's a worthwhile discipline to follow. Men fox holes change
> during war, does that mean we should send everyone who wants change to
> war? Or that it is a worthwhile venue for change?
>

I'm guessing you meant "men in fox holes". many experiences change
people, some for the better.

>
> > Timmy : You are a goat fucking,bandlers cock sucking, granny boning
> > dumbass retard
>
> I never said Goat fucking........<8^]
>

Call it poetic license, and you have to admit it was poetic.
>
> > NLPer : I get results with NLP.
>
> Even placebo's get effects about 50% of the time. So what is your
> point???
> >

Where is your proof, and where is your proof 3D mind is any different ?

> > Also, Timmy seems to have this deluded belief that anyone interested in
> > NLP is closed to every other model.
>
> I never said that, your placing word in my mouth like Bandler places
> his cock in yours.
> what I said is people should do a little research on nlp before they
> buy the hype.
>

Pretty much all of your posts wreak of it.

And again, you show your ignorance in thinking people here haven't done
the research. I have read all the sceptic stuff and contra-information
years ago (as have many here) but have yet to find any with even a
milligram of anything other than opinion.

>
> >I used to find him humorous, but you get kinda bored with the same
> ole routine after a short while,
>
> So what keeps you coming back, you like abuse or you still got an eye
> on my ass?
>

a bit of both, masochism, crusading, entertainment, and I worry about
you going fugazi with a 12 guage if you don't get your weekly fix of
me.

>
> >he seems to lack flexibility, has no ability to pace, cannot debate,
>
> I have plenty of flexability,

You may have flexability, but flexibiity still eludes you !

>I can either call you a cock sucker or a
> dickhead,

Ha Ha. nice

> >does not ask good questions
>
> I aske real good questions, like where are the facts which prove nlp
> works, where is the research, why won't nlp people back their shit up
> with money back guarantee's?

Dood, is it or is it not results that count ?. There is the proof.
And in the UK many practitioners offer money back guarantees.

> I think those are pretty good questions which have yet to be answered.
>
>
> and sees everyone on this group as the retarded
>
> No, only a select few, I don't think your retarded, your not smart
> enough to be retarded.
>
>
> >He likes to think himself enlightened,
>
> Please find a post of mine where I stated that? Or are you once again
> projecting what you think I think? But if I thought you were thinking
> what I was thinking then the thought doesn't matter because the
> thinking isn't really thinking. Hey, Kidding
>

You are convinced you have the answers and know the truths, but don't
seem to realise that is just your reality. And this is prevalent in
all your posts.

>
> >but it in doing so he has just closed himself down.
>
> Oh God, another unqualified super nlp'er to diagnose me, how pathetic.
> What qaulifications do you have to make a statement like that?
>

It's an opinion, I am a human, I am therefore entitled to an opinion !

> >It's a real shame, if he could think for
> > himself he would be a worthy contributor to this group.
>
> Sort of like you? Who does nothing but bitch and complain about me, or
> Tom or Tom's post or about the large skid marks in your underwear?

I don't have that problem, I wear my wifes underwear

> >
> > Comically, on the 3D mind group, he is considered a guru, tells you a
> > little about the state of that group.
>
> Yes, it tells you that the group is not willing to settle for the
> bullshit consistantly spewed out by the nlp community, that they demand
> results and don't want to hear the airy fairy bullshit.
> They want information they can use, unlike most of the people who
> attend nlp seminars and years later are still trying to figure it out.
> Sorry Captain Doo Dod pants if you can't deliver.
>

They don't "demand results". A typical post goes "Er Tom, I can't seem
to get it to work, maybe I'm doing something wrong", Tom replies with
some comments, person replies, "Ok, have tried that still no change"
Tom flares up with a "I am spending no more time with you, you are not
ready to admit to what you are hiding, I'm not doing all the work for
you". Person replies "Oh sorry Tom, I'm a bad person, you are right,
I'm weak and pitiful" and scurry off with no results. Noone ever on
that list says, "Fuck you Tom, I asked for help and all you have given
is bullshit, now step up and deliver". People on that group are
bullied into saying they have got results (whether they have or not)
or just shutting up.

NLP is easy, you just have to do it. Problem with people who use NLP is
same as problem with people who use 3D mind, they try to use bits in
isolation without calibrating, pacing, outcomes, etc.
>
> HellBoy

Cameron

"duck" <jism_monkey2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1162457635.258550.165990@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...

> They don't "demand results". A typical post goes "Er Tom, I can't seem
> to get it to work, maybe I'm doing something wrong", Tom replies with
> some comments, person replies, "Ok, have tried that still no change"
> Tom flares up with a "I am spending no more time with you, you are not
> ready to admit to what you are hiding, I'm not doing all the work for
> you". Person replies "Oh sorry Tom, I'm a bad person, you are right,
> I'm weak and pitiful" and scurry off with no results. Noone ever on
> that list says, "Fuck you Tom, I asked for help and all you have given
> is bullshit, now step up and deliver". People on that group are
> bullied into saying they have got results (whether they have or not)
> or just shutting up.
>
> NLP is easy, you just have to do it. Problem with people who use NLP is
> same as problem with people who use 3D mind, they try to use bits in
> isolation without calibrating, pacing, outcomes, etc.

I have to admit I'me not suprised by this observation, it does fit with
their style here, obidience and worship or abuse.

How long have you had an account with the 3-d group? is it a passing phase
or a long term trend?

HellBoy

Would love to answer you but I am gonna be busy for the next 3 days,
but I'll get back to you.
I don't want you to think that I have left you for another cannon
fodder. I know it would break your little heart and I am not the cruel
master you would have others believe I am.


Timmy

duck

HellBoy wrote:
> Would love to answer you but I am gonna be busy for the next 3 days,
> but I'll get back to you.
> I don't want you to think that I have left you for another cannon
> fodder. I know it would break your little heart and I am not the cruel
> master you would have others believe I am.
>

Indeed, you are no master at all

>
> Timmy

UnKaH

You are right, I am not the coke snorting, alcoholic, gluttonous
murdering son of a bitch you seem to worship, my bad.

HellBrat
duck wrote:

>
> Indeed, you are no master at all


> > Timmy

duck

UnKaH wrote:
> You are right, I am not the coke snorting, alcoholic, gluttonous
> murdering son of a bitch you seem to worship, my bad.
>

I remain unconvinced. I worship no man, and yet you still cannot
accept that

You only ever say 3 things

1) NLP is Placebo
2) All people on this newsroup are Bandlers groupies
3) 3D mind is the cure.

You don't add a whole lot of value do you, probably because all those
shiny trinkets you cling to as truths, are in fact just worthless
delusions.