master_nlp@yahoo.com

I took a class from Michael Grinder and to my surprise found that he
was extremely incompetent and rude.

Obviously, this man had disorder problem. All I did was trying to ask
a question while he was writing on the board. He turned around and
almost yelled at me. I had never seen any speaker/trainer/consultant
this rude in my life.

Please ask him not to do it again: info@michaelgrinder.com

Regards,
Jim

Venus

On Mar 3, 5:50 pm, master_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I took a class from Michael Grinder and to my surprise found that he
> was extremely incompetent and rude.
>
> Obviously, this man had disorder problem. All I did was trying to ask
> a question while he was writing on the board. He turned around and
> almost yelled at me. I had never seen any speaker/trainer/consultant
> this rude in my life.
>
> Please ask him not to do it again: i...@michaelgrinder.com
>
> Regards,
> Jim

Jim,

I suspect you got exactly what you asked for.

Venus

master_nlp@yahoo.com

Hi Venus,

No, you are wrong. I was simply attempting to ask a question. Michael
is known to have a bad temper, I realize.

Regards,
Jim
Don't let worst trainer deter your interest in NLP.

nncys@yahoo.com

Damn, Venus. You just got yourself attached to a bad experience. Not a
smart NLP move.

Damn, me too.

Garry Freemyer

<master_nlp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173512340.576407.10480@c51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi Venus,
>
> No, you are wrong. I was simply attempting to ask a question. Michael
> is known to have a bad temper, I realize.
>
> Regards,
> Jim
> Don't let worst trainer deter your interest in NLP.
>

Some people think that superior knowledge gives them the right to act like
jerks.

I have a bad temper - fortunately, my experiences in life taught me to have
a hatred of blowing up at others. Its made a big though imperfect
difference.

Harun

"Some people think that superior knowledge gives them the right to act
like
jerks. "

I agree, and I believe it must be a big warning sign for you to run
away. Cuz you know what that means right? The guy is supposedly
teaching you to fix yourself, do something new, but he has spent all
his life on something yet wasnt able to fix that little thing?


Now there are 3 things I would suspect in that kind of a scenario;

1- Is it the guy who is screwed and cant use the tool properly?
2- Is the tool actually not that successful but is being touted so?
3- Does the tool need to be filtered for crap and also for valuable
parts in it?

Jim, I suggest you to approach both NLP ,any mindset and any guru you
meet critically. I think thats the most valuable lesson NLP has
thought me.

Why? Cuz when a person starts believing somethign that doesnt
translate into results in real life what he does is WASTING TIME of
his precious life. I have lost around 3 years trying to make NLP work.
I know others who have lost a decade or more, than realized that it
didnt bring the results it claims. So approach critically even those
who say something has worked for them great; take a look at them.. do
they look balanced? or have they become nothing but an egoist? or are
they actually acting as weird as they were before but telling they
have changed because they believe they have an invaluable tool at
their hands?

Now I want to mention this; I write these never to judge any system or
person but to give some of my experiences so that others dont lose
time of their precious lives learning the lessons I have learned by
experience.

Take care,
Harun

HellBrat

Michael Who? Hall?

Hmm, can't he use nlp to fix that? I find it kind of disturbing that
nlp trainers like him, who have these bad traits, can't use nlp to
fix it. What really does that say about nlp? As I said before, time
and time again, nlp sucks, yet most of you are not willing to look at
the cold hard facts and hang on to what you feel about it instead.

Funny thing is, I used to feel the same way too, but then I got smart.


UnKAH HellBwat


On Mar 10, 2:39 am, master_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi Venus,
>
> No, you are wrong. I was simply attempting to ask a question. Michael
> is known to have a bad temper, I realize.
>
> Regards,
> Jim
> Don't let worst trainer deter your interest in NLP.

John Wingert

Harun,

Nice post.

Too many NLP guys don't play in the real world. They live in theory
world

Theory world lets them complicate stuff, and sound kool. Too many
trainers live there.

Real world requires that we always seek out something even more simple
and effective.

Seek out ways to simplify what you have learned, while playing with it
in real life.

We call that dirt time, the time when you get down and dirty exploring
how this works in the ghetto and in life.

As I began training in NLP I had a strong background in martial arts
and american indian skills and philosophy.

Both of those required that I be street smart. Keep it simple....

I was a cop and a survivalist.

So when I explored NLP my eyes saw opportunity to simplify. And
that's what I do, and what seems to work.

That's a huge nlp key. simplify. take it to the street. And have
fun.

John Wingert
http://www.ultimate-persuasion-package.com

On Mar 11, 6:32 am, "Harun" <gunerha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Some people think that superior knowledge gives them the right to act
> like
> jerks. "
>
> I agree, and I believe it must be a big warning sign for you to run
> away. Cuz you know what that means right? The guy is supposedly
> teaching you to fix yourself, do something new, but he has spent all
> his life on something yet wasnt able to fix that little thing?
>
> Now there are 3 things I would suspect in that kind of a scenario;
>
> 1- Is it the guy who is screwed and cant use the tool properly?
> 2- Is the tool actually not that successful but is being touted so?
> 3- Does the tool need to be filtered for crap and also for valuable
> parts in it?
>
> Jim, I suggest you to approach both NLP ,any mindset and any guru you
> meet critically. I think thats the most valuable lesson NLP has
> thought me.
>
> Why? Cuz when a person starts believing somethign that doesnt
> translate into results in real life what he does is WASTING TIME of
> his precious life. I have lost around 3 years trying to make NLP work.
> I know others who have lost a decade or more, than realized that it
> didnt bring the results it claims. So approach critically even those
> who say something has worked for them great; take a look at them.. do
> they look balanced? or have they become nothing but an egoist? or are
> they actually acting as weird as they were before but telling they
> have changed because they believe they have an invaluable tool at
> their hands?
>
> Now I want to mention this; I write these never to judge any system or
> person but to give some of my experiences so that others dont lose
> time of their precious lives learning the lessons I have learned by
> experience.
>
> Take care,
> Harun

MrNewsReader

On 10 Mar 2007 00:25:34 -0800, nncys@yahoo.com wrote:

>Damn, Venus. You just got yourself attached to a bad experience. Not a
>smart NLP move.
>
>Damn, me too.
>
Now that's humor ;-)

Nic

master_nlp@yahoo.com wrote:
> I took a class from Michael Grinder and to my surprise found that he
> was extremely incompetent and rude.
>
> Obviously, this man had disorder problem. All I did was trying to ask
> a question while he was writing on the board. He turned around and
> almost yelled at me. I had never seen any speaker/trainer/consultant
> this rude in my life.
>
> Please ask him not to do it again: info@michaelgrinder.com
>
> Regards,
> Jim
>
Who is Michael Grinder? I know of John Grinder, and Michael Hall, but
not Michael Grinder

tikanete@gmail.com

> Who is Michael Grinder? I know of John Grinder, and Michael Hall, but
> not Michael Grinder

He is John Grinder and Michael Hall's love child.