Tom Vizzini

Was the Original 3D Mind CRAP???

First let's identify what the original 3-D Mind product really was.

The original 3-D Mind included a set of DVDs. Those DVDs explain the
process and thousands of people all over the world have been able to use
that process in that form to improve their lives.

That wasn't the complete product though. The other half of the product was
the ability to join the 3-D Mind Yahoogroup. On that group all of the
updates to the 3-D Mind have been given away for FREE for seven years.

Unlike many other products, we did not offer a new DVD for every single
improvement to the process. If we had we would be on the seventh version by
now.

We also offered FREE personal guidance on using the product every single day
on our Yahoogroup. This means that if you had bought the original 3-D Mind
product back in the year 2000 that you would now have had seven years of
free help and free updates.

You would have gotten the product plus the membership plus the individual
personal attention and feedback for SEVEN YEARS for only $70.

The last factor to look at is how easily people were able to get results.
That is the most amazing part of the original 3-D mind. Many people with
ZERO training in any other system were able to pick up the 3-D mind and get
results within one hour. Even more people that had learned stuff that was
not working were able to finally get results using the original 3D Mind.

They didn't have to spend $15,000 and go to three separate trainings.

They didn't have to follow a brainless guru for years.

They didn't have to fly Fiji.

They didn't have to buy 37 companion products.

For more info: http://essential-skills.com/site.php/spgs/read/3dm

Unlike other technologies, the 3-D Mind has been rapidly evolving. It was a
very simple and very powerful tool is now even better. In many ways it is
even more simple. It is definitely more powerful.

So of course after seven years of research and improvements, the new 3-D
Mind 2007 is going to be infinitely better than the original. If it wasn't
then there would be no reason to release a new version. That only makes
common sense.

So let's look at the real expense. If you bought the original 3-D Mind in
the year 2000 and then you took advantage of buying the 3-D Mind 2007, you
would still have spent UNDER $200 for seven years of help, updates and
personal attention. That's less than $30 a year.

Even if you bought the original 3-D mind and then bought the 3-D Mind 2007
now it would only cost a little over $300.

When you compare that to the amount of money that I personally wasted
learning several other change work methods, $300 is nothing.

Then add to that there is a 100% moneyback guarantee.

I think the most powerful message comes from those of actually purchased the
new 3-D mind 2007 who also had the original 3D mind:
.................................................. .........
The New 3D mind Videos ROCK.

Hello everyone. I just finished watching the new 3D Mind videos
yesterday and I must say they are very much worth their value, and more.

Tom your explanation of the 3D Brain model and how we get stuck is so
simple and easy to understand and has given me a bunch of insights into
how 3D Mind works and how to use it for myself more effectively. And
also in being able to understand what is going on with others around me
and in my own life.

Last year I would see and use everyone's
apparent success as proof of my failure. And I would avoid any kind of
possible failure. Now, I am looking forward to moving into these
situations so I can trigger those beliefs and drivers so I can get a
sense of what they are, write them down and then balance them.

Shane K

.................................................. ...........................
........
My new 3DM DVDs set

Last week I received the new set of 3DM DVDs I've gone through them
once (including the booklet)

Congratulations Kim, Tom this product is great. The presentation
package is neat, very professional; the audio and video are clear
and pro quality, the companion booklet helpful, and even the mailing
delivery timing was the best ever!.

Regarding the content, I have the previous tapes and this improved
model you present is the rolls Royce of your products.

I solved some questions I had, reassured the process and even found
new technical ways to explore and enhance my 3DM changes.

I enjoyed the live exercise you did with Ken, here you explained
additional material regarding this "optional" model about emotion,
direction, acceleration which is another tool to have in the
3DM "weaponry".

The personal change that Ken performed is amazing
and brilliant, yet so simple; can you imagine how this world would
change if every person could have this 3DM technique you teach in
their hands?

Gosh, why you guys didn't come up with this 3DM when I was 25 at
least?..., lol, just kidding, that's all what my old self would have
only see and said; I'm glad to have met you guys and this marvelous
tool.

Roberto,
cheers,
.................................................. .......................
Sounds cliché but I am completely blown away!!!

ok here is the story I'll try not to make it that long
but i can't believe I almost didn't purchase this product
and I can't believe i was so skeptical.

I have had a fear of being yelled at by my boss- he frankly
scared the sh*t out of me for years- he is a nice guy and he
pays well, I have been screamed at by him three times
in about four years by him, my heart always beats a mile
a min, I feel a tire in my stomach and stress all over my body-
its an experience similar to someone pointing a gun to my head

Okay that's kinda gross I know but the point is that I could laugh and
joke IN JUST SECONDS after doing this and I had not even completed the
process- I am not afraid anymore I am not embarrassed anymore I think
its silly that could ever get so worked up and my boss, and I think
he's ridiculous about the way he overreacted at me, I just laugh at
him now.

I thought "no way this is that easy' i had to be sure

and imagine clearing it up in seconds!!!!
THAT STATE IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE I STILL CANT BELIEVE IT
ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.....................................


Yes the new 3-D Mind 2007 is much better than what we released seven years
ago. After seven years of research and improvement it should be.

The original 3-D Mind shook up the personal change world. The new 3-D Mind
2007 just blows it away.

Game, set, match.

Ready to change your life?

Have fun

Tom

--
Real Skills for the Real World
www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind

Bornnatural

You made 3D Mind that long ago....damn time flies. By the way, I've always
thought you sale your products too cheap. Its not in line with similar
products.
I pulled it out about amonth ago to go back over it again. Got halfway thru
and something came up....such is my life........


BN





"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:jqadnarxmvhNKq3bnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
> Was the Original 3D Mind CRAP???
>
> First let's identify what the original 3-D Mind product really was.
>
> The original 3-D Mind included a set of DVDs. Those DVDs explain the
> process and thousands of people all over the world have been able to use
> that process in that form to improve their lives.
>
> That wasn't the complete product though. The other half of the product
> was
> the ability to join the 3-D Mind Yahoogroup. On that group all of the
> updates to the 3-D Mind have been given away for FREE for seven years.
>
> Unlike many other products, we did not offer a new DVD for every single
> improvement to the process. If we had we would be on the seventh version
> by
> now.
>
> We also offered FREE personal guidance on using the product every single
> day
> on our Yahoogroup. This means that if you had bought the original 3-D
> Mind
> product back in the year 2000 that you would now have had seven years of
> free help and free updates.
>
> You would have gotten the product plus the membership plus the individual
> personal attention and feedback for SEVEN YEARS for only $70.
>
> The last factor to look at is how easily people were able to get results.
> That is the most amazing part of the original 3-D mind. Many people with
> ZERO training in any other system were able to pick up the 3-D mind and
> get
> results within one hour. Even more people that had learned stuff that was
> not working were able to finally get results using the original 3D Mind.
>
> They didn't have to spend $15,000 and go to three separate trainings.
>
> They didn't have to follow a brainless guru for years.
>
> They didn't have to fly Fiji.
>
> They didn't have to buy 37 companion products.
>
> For more info: http://essential-skills.com/site.php/spgs/read/3dm
>
> Unlike other technologies, the 3-D Mind has been rapidly evolving. It was
> a
> very simple and very powerful tool is now even better. In many ways it is
> even more simple. It is definitely more powerful.
>
> So of course after seven years of research and improvements, the new 3-D
> Mind 2007 is going to be infinitely better than the original. If it
> wasn't
> then there would be no reason to release a new version. That only makes
> common sense.
>
> So let's look at the real expense. If you bought the original 3-D Mind in
> the year 2000 and then you took advantage of buying the 3-D Mind 2007, you
> would still have spent UNDER $200 for seven years of help, updates and
> personal attention. That's less than $30 a year.
>
> Even if you bought the original 3-D mind and then bought the 3-D Mind 2007
> now it would only cost a little over $300.
>
> When you compare that to the amount of money that I personally wasted
> learning several other change work methods, $300 is nothing.
>
> Then add to that there is a 100% moneyback guarantee.
>
> I think the most powerful message comes from those of actually purchased
> the
> new 3-D mind 2007 who also had the original 3D mind:
> .................................................. ........
> The New 3D mind Videos ROCK.
>
> Hello everyone. I just finished watching the new 3D Mind videos
> yesterday and I must say they are very much worth their value, and more.
>
> Tom your explanation of the 3D Brain model and how we get stuck is so
> simple and easy to understand and has given me a bunch of insights into
> how 3D Mind works and how to use it for myself more effectively. And
> also in being able to understand what is going on with others around me
> and in my own life.
>
> Last year I would see and use everyone's
> apparent success as proof of my failure. And I would avoid any kind of
> possible failure. Now, I am looking forward to moving into these
> situations so I can trigger those beliefs and drivers so I can get a
> sense of what they are, write them down and then balance them.
>
> Shane K
>
> .................................................. ..........................
> .......
> My new 3DM DVDs set
>
> Last week I received the new set of 3DM DVDs I've gone through them
> once (including the booklet)
>
> Congratulations Kim, Tom this product is great. The presentation
> package is neat, very professional; the audio and video are clear
> and pro quality, the companion booklet helpful, and even the mailing
> delivery timing was the best ever!.
>
> Regarding the content, I have the previous tapes and this improved
> model you present is the rolls Royce of your products.
>
> I solved some questions I had, reassured the process and even found
> new technical ways to explore and enhance my 3DM changes.
>
> I enjoyed the live exercise you did with Ken, here you explained
> additional material regarding this "optional" model about emotion,
> direction, acceleration which is another tool to have in the
> 3DM "weaponry".
>
> The personal change that Ken performed is amazing
> and brilliant, yet so simple; can you imagine how this world would
> change if every person could have this 3DM technique you teach in
> their hands?
>
> Gosh, why you guys didn't come up with this 3DM when I was 25 at
> least?..., lol, just kidding, that's all what my old self would have
> only see and said; I'm glad to have met you guys and this marvelous
> tool.
>
> Roberto,
> cheers,
> .................................................. ......................
> Sounds cliché but I am completely blown away!!!
>
> ok here is the story I'll try not to make it that long
> but i can't believe I almost didn't purchase this product
> and I can't believe i was so skeptical.
>
> I have had a fear of being yelled at by my boss- he frankly
> scared the sh*t out of me for years- he is a nice guy and he
> pays well, I have been screamed at by him three times
> in about four years by him, my heart always beats a mile
> a min, I feel a tire in my stomach and stress all over my body-
> its an experience similar to someone pointing a gun to my head
>
> Okay that's kinda gross I know but the point is that I could laugh and
> joke IN JUST SECONDS after doing this and I had not even completed the
> process- I am not afraid anymore I am not embarrassed anymore I think
> its silly that could ever get so worked up and my boss, and I think
> he's ridiculous about the way he overreacted at me, I just laugh at
> him now.
>
> I thought "no way this is that easy' i had to be sure
>
> and imagine clearing it up in seconds!!!!
> THAT STATE IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE I STILL CANT BELIEVE IT
> ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> ....................................
>
>
> Yes the new 3-D Mind 2007 is much better than what we released seven years
> ago. After seven years of research and improvement it should be.
>
> The original 3-D Mind shook up the personal change world. The new 3-D
> Mind
> 2007 just blows it away.
>
> Game, set, match.
>
> Ready to change your life?
>
> Have fun
>
> Tom
>
> --
> Real Skills for the Real World
> www.essential-skills.com
> Gold Members Area
> 3D Mind
>
>
>
>

Tom Vizzini

"Bornnatural" <me@asf.com> wrote in message
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> You made 3D Mind that long ago....damn time flies. By the way, I've always
> thought you sale your products too cheap.

Thanks, that says a lot.

Its not in line with similar
> products.
> I pulled it out about amonth ago to go back over it again. Got halfway
thru
> and something came up....such is my life........

Go get them again!

The 3D 2007 set is amazing.

Have fun

Tom

Card XII

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:jqadnarxmvhNKq3bnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
> Was the Original 3D Mind CRAP???

Yes.

> First let's identify what the original 3-D Mind product really was.

Just did. It was really crap. Still is.

> The original 3-D ...

You aren't listening. It was crap. Still is. And you by association ...

> We also offered FREE personal guidance on using the product every single
> day
> on our Yahoogroup. This means that if you had bought the original 3-D
> Mind
> product back in the year 2000 that you would now have had seven years of
> free help and free updates.

There is a reason it was free, and reasons why lamers put it on Yahoogroup:

It was crap. It still is. You problaby tried an AOL group too.


> You would have gotten the product plus the membership plus the individual
> personal attention and feedback for SEVEN YEARS for only $70.

Spring is here, and I can use some crap to fertilize my rhubarb. But it
isn't worth
$70!


> The last factor to look ...
....

You aren't listening, dammit. <SLAPPP!>

> So of course after seven years of research and improvements,
....

Please to post the references to scientific, refereed, published research.

> If it wasn't

I hate it when TOS-twirps fail to use the subjunctive case. <SLAPPPPP!!!>

> then there would be no reason to release a new version.

So that's why it makes no sense? I knew there was a reason.

> That only makes common sense.

Now maybe you can start using it.


> So let's ...

Enough!! <SLAPPP! SLAP!!!>


> I personally wasted

Yes, you really are.

Now go or I will install a phobia of doorways in you.


card xii

Tom Vizzini

"Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
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>

> There is a reason it was free, and reasons why lamers put it on
Yahoogroup:
>
> It was crap. It still is. You problaby tried an AOL group too.

And here is proof.....you never have been on the group nor purchased the
product.

You opinion is now mute.

--
Real Skills for the Real World
www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind

Card XII

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:YpadnSyZp-JpI63bnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
> news:Y_2Yh.7394$ya1.3942@news02.roc.ny...
>>
>
>> There is a reason it was free, and reasons why lamers put it on
> Yahoogroup:
>>
>> It was crap. It still is. You problaby tried an AOL group too.
>
> And here is proof.....you never have been on the group nor purchased the
> product.
>
> You opinion is now mute.

Great logic. No wonder you know so much.

The burden of proof is on you. You said that there was "research," proof,
etc. Well, this is a science group, and you are obligated to back up such
statements with scientific proof. That means it has to be peer reviewed,
replicable, disprovable, the works.

My not having purchased the product or joining the group are proof of one
thing: I'm not that stupid. I have looked into your claims, and they are
absolutely bogus. You don't appear to know anything past Velikovsky I.

You also don't seem to know your ISP's TOS, such as not posting ads to
groups that don't allow it.

You blew your horn, now post the proof.


card xii
Hammer of Thor, May 2005
Order of the detrevnI Buckyball

Tom Vizzini

"Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
news:iB5Yh.7403$ya1.106@news02.roc.ny...

> Great logic. No wonder you know so much.
>
> The burden of proof is on you. You said that there was "research," proof,
> etc. Well, this is a science group, and you are obligated to back up such
> statements with scientific proof. That means it has to be peer reviewed,
> replicable, disprovable, the works.

Can't have a conversation with somoene who knows nothing of the process.

>
> My not having purchased the product or joining the group are proof of one
> thing: I'm not that stupid. I have looked into your claims, and they are
> absolutely bogus.

Thanks for verifying my point. You have stated that somthing is crap and yet
you know nothing of it.

So much for science

Card XII

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:HJWdnRFREL-rdq3bnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
> news:iB5Yh.7403$ya1.106@news02.roc.ny...
>
>> Great logic. No wonder you know so much.
>>
>> The burden of proof is on you. You said that there was "research,"
>> proof,
>> etc. Well, this is a science group, and you are obligated to back up
>> such
>> statements with scientific proof. That means it has to be peer reviewed,
>> replicable, disprovable, the works.
>
> Can't have a conversation with somoene who knows nothing of the process.

I certainly agree, but I'll try to work with you anyway.

>> My not having purchased the product or joining the group are proof of one
>> thing: I'm not that stupid. I have looked into your claims, and they are
>> absolutely bogus.
>
> Thanks for verifying my point. You have stated that somthing is crap and
> yet
> you know nothing of it.
>
> So much for science

Sorry, but it doesn't work to try the neener-neener gambit. You made a
claim, now prove it. You made the claim of efficacy, now you have to prove
it.

Or admit you are just a fraud. Everybody already knows it, but the question
remains as to whether you have any insight at all.

You made a claim on a science group. So you have to provide scientific
proof. "Word of mouth" is not scientific proof.

Post the proof, or shut up.


card xii
Hammer of Thor
Order of the detrevnI Buckyball

Krus T. Olfard

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in
news:HJWdnRFREL-rdq3bnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@adelphia.com:

> Thanks for verifying my point. You have stated that somthing is crap
> and yet you know nothing of it.
>
> So much for science
>
>

Once again you respond poorly to questions and criticism, tom.
"So much for science"? You have NOT provided any scientific evidence that
this stuff actually works, just a really lame testimonial that no one who
is not an idiot would believe.

If your responses are an indication of how your product helps people then
I will pass.

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

Card XII

"Krus T. Olfard" <braaap@odor.com> wrote in message
news:Xns991EADB41FCE3hotstuff@68.142.88.120...
> "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in
> news:HJWdnRFREL-rdq3bnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@adelphia.com:
>
>> Thanks for verifying my point. You have stated that somthing is crap
>> and yet you know nothing of it.
>>
>> So much for science
>>
>>
>
> Once again you respond poorly to questions and criticism, tom.
> "So much for science"? You have NOT provided any scientific evidence that
> this stuff actually works, just a really lame testimonial that no one who
> is not an idiot would believe.
>
> If your responses are an indication of how your product helps people then
> I will pass.

Yep. As you already know, numbwad's responses ARE an indication of how his
product helps people.

I don't see how he can live with the shame.


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Hammer of Thor, May 2005
Order of the detrevnI Buckyball

Alan Keyes

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:YpadnSyZp-JpI63bnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@adelphia.com...
:
: "Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
: news:Y_2Yh.7394$ya1.3942@news02.roc.ny...
: >
:
: > There is a reason it was free, and reasons why lamers put it on
: Yahoogroup:
: >
: > It was crap. It still is. You problaby tried an AOL group too.
:
: And here is proof.....you never have been on the group nor purchased
: the product.
:
: You opinion is now mute.
:

ROTFLMAO!!!! Mute?

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Idiot, you cannot silence another unless you kill them.

Are you threatening bodily harm? Should we call the cops?

Or are you just plain deluded

If you are indeed that stupid, and I believe you are, then obviously
your CD's are not even worth two cents since you wasted them by
imprinting them with stupidity verified by your statement above.

I just rendered your nonsense moot.

Odious

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:jqadnarxmvhNKq3bnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
> Was the Original 3D Mind CRAP???
>
> First let's identify what the original 3-D Mind product really was.
>
> The original 3-D Mind included a set of DVDs. Those DVDs explain the
> process and thousands of people all over the world have been able to use
> that process in that form to improve their lives.
>

Now does that number include the people who bought 3d mind, saw little or no
results, and then were accused by you of not working hard enough to put
forth the required maximum effort to see results? Or do you exclude those
folks from this number?


> That wasn't the complete product though. The other half of the product
> was
> the ability to join the 3-D Mind Yahoogroup.

So you got people paying for a yahoo group?


> On that group all of the
> updates to the 3-D Mind have been given away for FREE for seven years.
>

New cd's or simply new text on the yahoo group to explain how to deal with
the flaws in the first set of cds?

> Unlike many other products, we did not offer a new DVD for every single
> improvement to the process. If we had we would be on the seventh version
> by
> now.
>
> We also offered FREE personal guidance on using the product every single
> day
> on our Yahoogroup. This means that if you had bought the original 3-D
> Mind
> product back in the year 2000 that you would now have had seven years of
> free help and free updates.
>
> You would have gotten the product plus the membership plus the individual
> personal attention and feedback for SEVEN YEARS for only $70.
>

Why is it that you start out acting as if you're going to address quality
and functionality of 3d mind.... and then you just go into a sales pitch
about the yahoo group people can access when they buy 3d mind?

That's like selling someone a leaky boat, but saying the boat wasn't leaky
because you let customers get on a yahoo group where people talk about how
to patch leaks and bail water.


It is commendable that you've taken at least some steps to address the flaws
in the product you sell for your customers... however that doesn't change
the fact those flaws exist.


> The last factor to look at is how easily people were able to get results.
> That is the most amazing part of the original 3-D mind. Many people with
> ZERO training in any other system were able to pick up the 3-D mind and
> get
> results within one hour. Even more people that had learned stuff that was
> not working were able to finally get results using the original 3D Mind.
>

So you're now doing a full 180 on your previous claims about this product
requiring maximum effort, and those people who did not get the results you
said they would get, being to blame for not trying hard enough?

"Let's face it. Minimum effort only yields minimum results."

"You make Maximum effort with the right tools to get Maximum results. If you
read the entire article you would have known that. "




> They didn't have to spend $15,000 and go to three separate trainings.
>
> They didn't have to follow a brainless guru for years.
>
> They didn't have to fly Fiji.
>
> They didn't have to buy 37 companion products.
>

None of these points address any issues of content or quality in your
products.

Again when the question of 3d mind being crap is brought up.... why is it
that you and your students' first reaction is to bash other product, rather
than address the specific attributes of your product.

Tom Vizzini

"Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
news:iB5Yh.7403$ya1.106@news02.roc.ny...

> >
> > You opinion is now mute.
>
> Great logic. No wonder you know so much.
>
> The burden of proof is on you. You said that there was "research," proof,
> etc. Well, this is a science group, and you are obligated to back up such
> statements with scientific proof. That means it has to be peer reviewed,
> replicable, disprovable, the works.

Wow what an amazing scientist you must be. You have yet to ask one question
about the process yet already have made up your mind about it.

Is that how science is supposed to work?

You a joke as a scientist.

>
> My not having purchased the product or joining the group are proof of one
> thing: I'm not that stupid. I have looked into your claims, and they are
> absolutely bogus.

Really? Where did you look?

Tom Vizzini

"Krus T. Olfard" <braaap@odor.com> wrote in message
news:Xns991EADB41FCE3hotstuff@68.142.88.120...
> "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in
> news:HJWdnRFREL-rdq3bnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@adelphia.com:
>
> > Thanks for verifying my point. You have stated that somthing is crap
> > and yet you know nothing of it.
> >
> > So much for science
> >
> >
>
> Once again you respond poorly to questions and criticism, tom.
> "So much for science"? You have NOT provided any scientific evidence that
> this stuff actually works, just a really lame testimonial that no one who
> is not an idiot would believe.

Are you claiming that I falsified the success story? LOL! Geeze........I
don't have to lie to show results.

So here is a question. Are you publically stating that someone should pass
scientific judement on somthing they know nothing about? Is that what you
consider smart?

Bottom line....3D Mind works. I think it works better than anything else
out there. Of course I have actually tried other things......have you?

Have fun


--
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www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind






>
> If your responses are an indication of how your product helps people then
> I will pass.
>
> --
> I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
> not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
> me money.

gnr

"Again when the question of 3d mind being crap is brought up.... why
is it
that you and your students' first reaction is to bash other product,
rather
than address the specific attributes of your product."

Its because you dont have a clue about the 3dmind how it works and why
it works an d without knowing crap you discount anything that will not
fit your view that the 3dmind is crap.

You use every sentence to prove your point and thats why it just gets
funnier as one reads your clueless attacks.

The nicest example of that is how you take something like daily yahoo
group help for everyone who purchases the 3dmind and turn into
something bad.

I dont know what you use for your self improvement but its really hard
to understand how you can discount such help. Its been 30 years since
NLP has been out, do you think it never saw any improvement? Yes
surely it saw improvement. Does that mean it was useless when it was
out?

Really your comments are useless and you are too. And This statement
is based on all the flames you have started till now. You have
attacked and attacked without asking geniuine questions trying to
learn something about the 3dmind .Instead you tried to prove 3dmind is
crap without knowing shit about it. That says enough about you.

I advise anyone reading this guys accusations about something he
doesnt know anything about, with bearing in mind that he is nothing
but a useless flamer .

And in the end anyone can do as they please. I am getting changes that
I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff..
If you stumble upon these guys' responses please always ask yourself,
Why in the world are they struggling so hard to prove that 3dmind is
crap? Might it be that posting bullshit on the iinternet feeds them
feel powerful, deserving ,valued feeling that they need?

Tom Vizzini

"Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:9RgYh.166398$g24.57626@newsfe12.phx...

>
> Now does that number include the people who bought 3d mind, saw little or
no
> results, and then were accused by you of not working hard enough to put
> forth the required maximum effort to see results? Or do you exclude those
> folks from this number?

Name one.

Tom Vizzini

"gnr" <gunerharun@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177679091.430041.127880@r3g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...

>
> And in the end anyone can do as they please. I am getting changes that
> I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff..

Here is the one point that never gets addressed. 3D mind works where other
methods have failed.

Of course Harun your success can't be real. You must be lying. That is the
only way these guys can continue to attack the 3D mind.

Let me change that.....They can't attack the 3D Mind. The can't argue with
the results. All they have to attack is me personally.

The truth is that the 3 D Mind works. People from all over the world are
getting amazing results. Everything from shyness to elevator phobias to
dealing with the stress of immune deficiancy disorders.

Every day people are able to use the 3D Mind to overcome life long problems.

That is what pisses these people off. You no longer need years of training
and tens of thousands of dollars to get results. All you need is a couple of
hours and you can begin helping yourself.


> If you stumble upon these guys' responses please always ask yourself,
> Why in the world are they struggling so hard to prove that 3dmind is
> crap? Might it be that posting bullshit on the iinternet feeds them
> feel powerful, deserving ,valued feeling that they need?

Yep.....weak minded poeple use the internet to feel powerful and important.


Have fun

Tom


--
Real Skills for the Real World
www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind

Like you really care who this is..

>Here is the one point that never gets addressed. 3D mind works where other
>methods have failed.

So YOU say in your self written spam on Usenet..

>Of course Harun your success can't be real. You must be lying. That is the
>only way these guys can continue to attack the 3D mind.

Hey, if your stuff really helps some loser grow balls to live in the real world,
fine, but you try to present your ads as FACT, and then 'hellwussy' chimes
in about "..retarded elves.." NOT the best cheerleader. 3D mind got him THERE?

>Let me change that.....They can't attack the 3D Mind. The can't argue with
>the results. All they have to attack is me personally.

Well, maybe from the ad for the product, it sounds like he's a loser who
can't handle reality. Hope 3D Mind helps him.. He needs it to survive?

>The truth is that the 3 D Mind works. People from all over the world are
>getting amazing results. Everything from shyness to elevator phobias to
>dealing with the stress of immune deficiancy disorders.

So YOU say. But judging from YOUR ADs, these folks need more then
a product pimped on Usenet, and cheered on by a jerk who's only response
involves "..retarded elves.." and calls himself 'hellbrat'. He's laughable.

>Every day people are able to use the 3D Mind to overcome life long problems.

so you say in your ads. NO one would lie in advertising..<snicker>

>That is what pisses these people off. You no longer need years of training
>and tens of thousands of dollars to get results. All you need is a couple of
>hours and you can begin helping yourself.

THAT makes sense, cause anyone with said problems that would pay $10k's
and YEARS of training needs help. NOW you say all they need is a product
pimped on Usenet buy a loser named 'hellbrat'..? That is laughable.

>> If you stumble upon these guys' responses please always ask yourself,
>> Why in the world are they struggling so hard to prove that 3dmind is
>> crap? Might it be that posting bullshit on the iinternet feeds them
>> feel powerful, deserving ,valued feeling that they need?

The they should get a life, learn what the real world is like, not think about
killing themselves, and maybe..just maybe..not be a loser. To be blunt, judging
from YOUR POSTS of what they wrote, they need help that once ANY product
wears off, they will search for another excuse. Maybe at double the price..?

>Yep.....weak minded poeple use the internet to feel powerful and important.

What makes folks weak, because they don't believe what you and hellwussy say?

Maybe you need a 4th mind of some type. You just want to pimp a product, and everybody
who thinks HOW you do it is funny, they are 'weak'..? Do you really belive that?

>Have fun

I do, on and off Usenet.


JJTj










++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

"Do I take LSD...na, I can paint better then that"

Don Van Vliet (Capt Beefheart)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

Tom Vizzini

"Like you really care who this is.." <.....last room on the right...> wrote
in message news:dr2433hi19cr2dend4slkfn0jtpditaq1e@4ax.com...


Thanks for making my point.

>
> >Here is the one point that never gets addressed. 3D mind works where
other
> >methods have failed.
>
> So YOU say in your self written spam on Usenet..

Actually I didn't. Harun did. If you like to check his IP address you will
see that he resides in Turkey. I may be good but I can't be in United
States and Turkey at the same time.

As usual you can't attack the 3-D Mind. You can't attack the positive
results that the 3-D Mind gets. All you have is personal attacks.

Thanks again for making my point. Game over for you.

Tom

--
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www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind

Odious

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Card XII" <blotsparade@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
> news:iB5Yh.7403$ya1.106@news02.roc.ny...
>
>> >
>> > You opinion is now mute.
>>
>> Great logic. No wonder you know so much.
>>
>> The burden of proof is on you. You said that there was "research,"
>> proof,
>> etc. Well, this is a science group, and you are obligated to back up
>> such
>> statements with scientific proof. That means it has to be peer reviewed,
>> replicable, disprovable, the works.
>
> Wow what an amazing scientist you must be. You have yet to ask one
> question
> about the process yet already have made up your mind about it.
>
> Is that how science is supposed to work?
>
> You a joke as a scientist.
>

I notice that once again you respond with a personal attack, rather than
answer the simple question regarding the research you claim has been done on
3d mind.

Why is that?

Like you really care who this is..

>Actually I didn't. Harun did. If you like to check his IP address you will
>see that he resides in Turkey. I may be good but I can't be in United
>States and Turkey at the same time.

You can't post from another ISP in another country? WOW..I can..

>As usual you can't attack the 3-D Mind. You can't attack the positive
>results that the 3-D Mind gets. All you have is personal attacks.

I couldn't care less about the product, in fact I have said that IF it
does help someone, cool. And said post sounded like the writer needs
help. YOU say all he needs is your pimped product. IMHO, he needs
more. It sounds like a badly written ad. OR, from a sad person.

Does someone need to BUY your product to have an opinion of how
the ads read? Let's look at what I said about YOUR post. I include the
headers proving it was WRITTEN by YOU.....ready?

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____________________________
...so, I replied...
____________________________



>This was posted to the 3D Mind group just today. As I have stated time and
>time again. It is about REAL WORLD RESULTS:

The only real world results is said 'poster' was a sad loser who can't
handle the real work world, so maybe your stuff helped him to
try not being a wimpy loser at work. As someone who has 15 people
whom I sign paychecks for, no Usenet pimped program would save
his job for him. But hey, if it helps him cope with his lack of ability
to deal with workplaces, fine, good for him, and at DOUBLE the price,
in his case, I'm sure it's 1/2 his paycheck. Let's look at the post:

>ok here is the story I'll try not to make it that long
>but i can't believe I almost didn't purchase this product
>and I can't believe i was so skeptical.

Sounds like a well written ad intro...

>I have had a fear of being yelled at by my boss- he frankly
>scared the sh*t out of me for years- he is a nice guy and he
>pays well, I have been screamed at by him three times
>in about four years by him, my heart always beats a mile
>a min, I feel a tire in my stomach and stress all over my body-
>its an experience similar to someone pointing agun to my head

Cries over being scared of his boss. OK, his boss may be a jerk, but
it seems said poster is afraid of not producing on the job. WHY does
the boss scare him so much..? And why can't said poster handle it?

ANY worker who thinks his boss is so bad, they want to kill themselves
over it would be released on the spot...'postal' event waiting to happen.

I hope 3D Mind includes a set of balls to handle how the real world is...

>well he yelled at me for the third time last thursday- and it really
>really upset me it just brought down my whole week-

He doesn't say WHY he was yelled at. No boss does it for nothing, so
I guess said poster can't do his job correctly..so he get's spanked..

>I felt fear, anger, resentment, guilt, total humiliation, and stress.

...and he can't handle it.... Get another job....

>I shook it off best I could and tried to move on but I just kept
>hearing his voice in my head screaming at me and all those emotions
>would come back- needless to say I have felt liek sh*t for teh past
>week.

"..voices in his head.."...??? Pink slip time...

>Today i wanted to quit the fear and anger and humiliation was so bad,
>I even began looking in the classified section at other sales jobs.

OK, IF said 'boss'; was being a jerk, then there are other avenues. It
happens, but not as often as workers not being able to handle a boss's
'demand' for the worker to do his job right. And sales jobs even more
so, but if said boss is that much of a jerk, and the poster is doing his
job, then it's plain, no need to kill one's self or buy 3D mind over it.

>then to make it worse other employess who heard of it called me to
>ask what happened to elicit the state out of me one of my coworkers
>(who knows not to take our nutty boss so seriously)called me up today
>laughing about it doing an impression of him and saying the things he
>was saying to me. I got even more frustrated and angry and
>emberrassed and told him i didn't want to talk about it and I had to
>go.

...seems said poster can't deal with his fellow workers either.

>Then i tried the 3D mind on the subject- I really didnt think it
>would work because I was a bit unclear about the (moving around and
>blending the driver states)

...wow..and that solves all his problems..? <snicker>...

>i used the states of empowerment, peace, and joy I get when I listen
>to my favorite music.

On the Job..?.. No wonder his boss has an issue over his performance..

>I did this at work between clients and about half way through the
>process when Marco the general manager called me to ask me about what
>happened between me and the big boss.

"..big boss.." being the paycheck signer? What has 'Marco' do so with it..?

>Tom Kim holy sh*t I was lauging about what happened with me and my
>boss. i told marco yeah Neil ripped me 5 new A- holes- at least now
>i can sh*t a lot quicker.

So everyone gets together and dumps on the paycheck signer..wow,
that will last long. Pink slips for everybody. Don't like the job, leave.

>Okay thats kinda gross I know but the point is that I could laugh and
>joke IN JUST SEONDS after doing this and I had not even completed the
>process- I am not afraid anymore I am not emberassed anymore I think
>its silly that could ever get so worked up and my boss, and I think
>he's ridiculous about the way he overreacted at me, I just laugh at
>him now.

But did it help his job performance..?

>I thought "no way this is that easy' i had to be sure.

Did he hold his hands over his ears n go "NAH..NAH..I can't hear you.." ?

>After i got off the phone with Marco I finished the process laughing
>more and more as I walked into the future.

Laugh at yer boss, that will secure ya job for ya...

>Then to be sure it was gone I called up that employee who bothered me
>earlier about the event. Sure enough teh whole thing was still funny.

...now he dumps on fellow jerk workers..must suck to work there..

....but the check is ok..if he's so upset. there is the door..go for it...

>I have no idea what this sounds like to you guys but
>imagine a crippling fear FOR YEARS and an even to accelerate it to
>the point where I coudl do something silly like walk away from a good
>job let alone carry around that pain, that stress, fear, and
>humilation and project it everywhere.

He's been unable to do his job, and is upset over it for years?

What a wimp. If said paycheck decider is so bad, flocking leave..

>and imagine clearing it up in seconds!!!!
>THAT STATE IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE I STILL CANT BELIEVE IT
>ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....did he see the light and get his job performance corrected..?

>i was so excited and thrilled that I wanted to call Tom and scream at
>him my results.

...instead of correcting the problem, he just shrugs it off...

>Tom and Kim thank you thank you thank you!!!!!

Will he buy 3D Minds, ver 2 at double the price..?


>-Jonathan
>.....................................
>
>Real World Results......


Maybe, but said poster is a loser who, after his 3D mind MoJo is over,
will still not be able to handle the real work force, in real life...


JJTj


<now we all await 'hellpussy' to reply about retarded elves...>


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Thanks again for making my point. Game over for you.


wow...1st 'hellbrat' and now you quote a child molester like
Gordon Roy "..i was jesus.." Parker's standard "I give up" reply
of 'game over'..? What's next, hellbrat going after boogiemen?



Tom, ya wanna sell ya product, I suggest you re-think how it is presented...






JJTj












-----------------------------------------------------
Seems I forgot the next verse..
oh well, I guess it pays to rehearse..
the lyric sheet's so hard to find..
what are the words, oh nevermind...

Weird Al
-----------------------------------------------------

Odious

"gnr" <gunerharun@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177679091.430041.127880@r3g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
> "Again when the question of 3d mind being crap is brought up.... why
> is it
> that you and your students' first reaction is to bash other product,
> rather
> than address the specific attributes of your product."
>
> Its because you dont have a clue about the 3dmind how it works and why
> it works an d without knowing crap you discount anything that will not
> fit your view that the 3dmind is crap.
>

So because you beleive that to be the case, you decide to bash other
products, instead of addressing the specific atributes of 3d mind in a
discussion about the 3d mind.

> You use every sentence to prove your point and thats why it just gets
> funnier as one reads your clueless attacks.
>
> The nicest example of that is how you take something like daily yahoo
> group help for everyone who purchases the 3dmind and turn into
> something bad.
>

Funny, I did not turn it into something bad... I simply pointed out that the
existance of a yahoo group that you charge people to access, which provides
information on addressing the flaws the in 3d mind disks, does not negate or
refute the point that the product is flawed. In fact it proves not only the
product is flawed, but so flawed you had to establish a yahoo group to try
and address the flaws.



> I dont know what you use for your self improvement but its really hard
> to understand how you can discount such help. Its been 30 years since
> NLP has been out, do you think it never saw any improvement? Yes
> surely it saw improvement. Does that mean it was useless when it was
> out?

The need for improvement in any situation or product demonstrates the
awareness of previous deficiencies.


> Really your comments are useless and you are too. And This statement
> is based on all the flames you have started till now. You have
> attacked and attacked without asking geniuine questions trying to
> learn something about the 3dmind .Instead you tried to prove 3dmind is
> crap without knowing shit about it. That says enough about you.
>

The threads prove this not to be the case. Anybody can read the questions
I've asked and see for themselves that I've been particularly civil by
comparison to tom and his students.

> I advise anyone reading this guys accusations about something he
> doesnt know anything about, with bearing in mind that he is nothing
> but a useless flamer .
>

You continue to claim I know nothing about 3d mind.... and yet, you've yet
to point out any specific point I've been inaccurate or incorrect about
regarding 3d mind. You cry that I don't know what it is or how it works...
why do you think that's the case?


> And in the end anyone can do as they please. I am getting changes that
> I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff..
> If you stumble upon these guys' responses please always ask yourself,
> Why in the world are they struggling so hard to prove that 3dmind is
> crap? Might it be that posting bullshit on the iinternet feeds them
> feel powerful, deserving ,valued feeling that they need?

Can you say projection?

Tom Vizzini

"Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:ZooYh.204752$ZA5.9901@newsfe15.phx...
>

> >
>
> I notice that once again you respond with a personal attack, rather than
> answer the simple question regarding the research you claim has been done
on
> 3d mind.
>
> Why is that?

Again you lose.....I never claimed there was any research in the 3D Mind.

Get a life



>
>

Tom Vizzini

You already lost.....game over.




"Like you really care who this is.." <.....last room on the right...> wrote
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>
> >Actually I didn't. Harun did. If you like to check his IP address you
will
> >see that he resides in Turkey. I may be good but I can't be in United
> >States and Turkey at the same time.
>
> You can't post from another ISP in another country? WOW..I can..
>
> >As usual you can't attack the 3-D Mind. You can't attack the positive
> >results that the 3-D Mind gets. All you have is personal attacks.
>
> I couldn't care less about the product, in fact I have said that IF it
> does help someone, cool. And said post sounded like the writer needs
> help. YOU say all he needs is your pimped product. IMHO, he needs
> more. It sounds like a badly written ad. OR, from a sad person.
>
> Does someone need to BUY your product to have an opinion of how
> the ads read? Let's look at what I said about YOUR post. I include the
> headers proving it was WRITTEN by YOU.....ready?
>
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>
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> ____________________________
> ..so, I replied...
> ____________________________
>
>
>
> >This was posted to the 3D Mind group just today. As I have stated time
and
> >time again. It is about REAL WORLD RESULTS:
>
> The only real world results is said 'poster' was a sad loser who can't
> handle the real work world, so maybe your stuff helped him to
> try not being a wimpy loser at work. As someone who has 15 people
> whom I sign paychecks for, no Usenet pimped program would save
> his job for him. But hey, if it helps him cope with his lack of ability
> to deal with workplaces, fine, good for him, and at DOUBLE the price,
> in his case, I'm sure it's 1/2 his paycheck. Let's look at the post:
>
> >ok here is the story I'll try not to make it that long
> >but i can't believe I almost didn't purchase this product
> >and I can't believe i was so skeptical.
>
> Sounds like a well written ad intro...
>
> >I have had a fear of being yelled at by my boss- he frankly
> >scared the sh*t out of me for years- he is a nice guy and he
> >pays well, I have been screamed at by him three times
> >in about four years by him, my heart always beats a mile
> >a min, I feel a tire in my stomach and stress all over my body-
> >its an experience similar to someone pointing agun to my head
>
> Cries over being scared of his boss. OK, his boss may be a jerk, but
> it seems said poster is afraid of not producing on the job. WHY does
> the boss scare him so much..? And why can't said poster handle it?
>
> ANY worker who thinks his boss is so bad, they want to kill themselves
> over it would be released on the spot...'postal' event waiting to happen.
>
> I hope 3D Mind includes a set of balls to handle how the real world is...
>
> >well he yelled at me for the third time last thursday- and it really
> >really upset me it just brought down my whole week-
>
> He doesn't say WHY he was yelled at. No boss does it for nothing, so
> I guess said poster can't do his job correctly..so he get's spanked..
>
> >I felt fear, anger, resentment, guilt, total humiliation, and stress.
>
> ..and he can't handle it.... Get another job....
>
> >I shook it off best I could and tried to move on but I just kept
> >hearing his voice in my head screaming at me and all those emotions
> >would come back- needless to say I have felt liek sh*t for teh past
> >week.
>
> "..voices in his head.."...??? Pink slip time...
>
> >Today i wanted to quit the fear and anger and humiliation was so bad,
> >I even began looking in the classified section at other sales jobs.
>
> OK, IF said 'boss'; was being a jerk, then there are other avenues. It
> happens, but not as often as workers not being able to handle a boss's
> 'demand' for the worker to do his job right. And sales jobs even more
> so, but if said boss is that much of a jerk, and the poster is doing his
> job, then it's plain, no need to kill one's self or buy 3D mind over it.
>
> >then to make it worse other employess who heard of it called me to
> >ask what happened to elicit the state out of me one of my coworkers
> >(who knows not to take our nutty boss so seriously)called me up today
> >laughing about it doing an impression of him and saying the things he
> >was saying to me. I got even more frustrated and angry and
> >emberrassed and told him i didn't want to talk about it and I had to
> >go.
>
> ..seems said poster can't deal with his fellow workers either.
>
> >Then i tried the 3D mind on the subject- I really didnt think it
> >would work because I was a bit unclear about the (moving around and
> >blending the driver states)
>
> ..wow..and that solves all his problems..? <snicker>...
>
> >i used the states of empowerment, peace, and joy I get when I listen
> >to my favorite music.
>
> On the Job..?.. No wonder his boss has an issue over his performance..
>
> >I did this at work between clients and about half way through the
> >process when Marco the general manager called me to ask me about what
> >happened between me and the big boss.
>
> "..big boss.." being the paycheck signer? What has 'Marco' do so with
it..?
>
> >Tom Kim holy sh*t I was lauging about what happened with me and my
> >boss. i told marco yeah Neil ripped me 5 new A- holes- at least now
> >i can sh*t a lot quicker.
>
> So everyone gets together and dumps on the paycheck signer..wow,
> that will last long. Pink slips for everybody. Don't like the job,
leave.
>
> >Okay thats kinda gross I know but the point is that I could laugh and
> >joke IN JUST SEONDS after doing this and I had not even completed the
> >process- I am not afraid anymore I am not emberassed anymore I think
> >its silly that could ever get so worked up and my boss, and I think
> >he's ridiculous about the way he overreacted at me, I just laugh at
> >him now.
>
> But did it help his job performance..?
>
> >I thought "no way this is that easy' i had to be sure.
>
> Did he hold his hands over his ears n go "NAH..NAH..I can't hear you.." ?
>
> >After i got off the phone with Marco I finished the process laughing
> >more and more as I walked into the future.
>
> Laugh at yer boss, that will secure ya job for ya...
>
> >Then to be sure it was gone I called up that employee who bothered me
> >earlier about the event. Sure enough teh whole thing was still funny.
>
> ..now he dumps on fellow jerk workers..must suck to work there..
>
> ...but the check is ok..if he's so upset. there is the door..go for it...
>
> >I have no idea what this sounds like to you guys but
> >imagine a crippling fear FOR YEARS and an even to accelerate it to
> >the point where I coudl do something silly like walk away from a good
> >job let alone carry around that pain, that stress, fear, and
> >humilation and project it everywhere.
>
> He's been unable to do his job, and is upset over it for years?
>
> What a wimp. If said paycheck decider is so bad, flocking leave..
>
> >and imagine clearing it up in seconds!!!!
> >THAT STATE IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE ITS GONE I STILL CANT BELIEVE IT
> >ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> ...did he see the light and get his job performance corrected..?
>
> >i was so excited and thrilled that I wanted to call Tom and scream at
> >him my results.
>
> ..instead of correcting the problem, he just shrugs it off...
>
> >Tom and Kim thank you thank you thank you!!!!!
>
> Will he buy 3D Minds, ver 2 at double the price..?
>
>
> >-Jonathan
> >.....................................
> >
> >Real World Results......
>
>
> Maybe, but said poster is a loser who, after his 3D mind MoJo is over,
> will still not be able to handle the real work force, in real life...
>
>
> JJTj
>
>
> <now we all await 'hellpussy' to reply about retarded elves...>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>
> >Thanks again for making my point. Game over for you.
>
>
> wow...1st 'hellbrat' and now you quote a child molester like
> Gordon Roy "..i was jesus.." Parker's standard "I give up" reply
> of 'game over'..? What's next, hellbrat going after boogiemen?
>
>
>
> Tom, ya wanna sell ya product, I suggest you re-think how it is
presented...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JJTj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Seems I forgot the next verse..
> oh well, I guess it pays to rehearse..
> the lyric sheet's so hard to find..
> what are the words, oh nevermind...
>
> Weird Al
> -----------------------------------------------------

Like you really care who this is..

>You already lost.....game over.


So, instead of replying to what I said, you cop-out..

Hey, I don't play your game. Go on and pimp whatever
you like. I'll just sit here and laugh..at you,
yer 'hellbrat' and the real lame ads you write.

At least I don't run from ??s and comments with cheap
IKYRBWAI lines. You act like I care, other then a cheap laugh.

Maybe I don't have the issues the people YOU say have,
nor do I need your 'product' that you and 'hellbrat' pimp.


Sorry, but your 'game' isn't worth playing.


Because it IS a game. And a lie.

You pimp Ver 2006, then say you have been working
on 2007 for 7 years? That didn't bother you by taking
2006 money while upgrading. NOW, 2007 is double $$..??


Sorry, I just laugh at your 'game' and anyone who believes it.







JJTj









---------------------------------------------------
Nature's way is to take away from
those who have too much and give
it to those that have too little.

Man's way, on the contrary, is to
take away from those who have too
little to give more to those who
already have too much..

Lao Tsu, circa 490BC
---------------------------------------------------

Tom Vizzini

"Like you really care who this is.." <.....last room on the right...> wrote
in message news:bd7433t33sagso2tqcj8n8d70krq7m542c@4ax.com...
>
> >You already lost.....game over.
>
>
> So, instead of replying to what I said, you cop-out..

Nope already proved your agenda and you lost. Game over ....

Like you really care who this is..

>Nope already proved your agenda and you lost. Game over ....

And pray tell, HOW do you prove my 'agenda'...

I have no agenda. I don't pimp product on Usenet, I
don't care what you sell (in fact, if you can find suckers
willing to buy it, goodie for you) . All you and 'hellbrat'
do is just insult, claim everything you say is right (I don't
say everything I say is) yet all you do is run away.

Proves alot about YOUR agenda, doesn't it..?

WHAT is next: "move along boy, ya bother me" carnie barking?


JJTj








-----------------------------------------------------
Seems I forgot the next verse..
oh well, I guess it pays to rehearse..
the lyric sheet's so hard to find..
what are the words, oh nevermind...

Weird Al
-----------------------------------------------------

HellBrat

>
> Just did. It was really crap. Still is.

And your mother is a crack ho, and still is.
>

>
> You aren't listening. It was crap. Still is. And you by association ...

No, your not listening, your a fucken moron, you've never seen or had
the 3d Mind, your just another nlp monkey making noise.

> There is a reason it was free, and reasons why lamers put it on Yahoogroup:

There reason it was free was because some people just didn't get it
and needed the extra help, do you or any of the other nlp monkeys do
that, follow ups, after product help? Of course not, you just say, hey
you didn't get it so come to another seminar and then you'll get it,
but what your talking about is getting fucked and not getting any real
knowledge they can use.
>
> It was crap. It still is. You problaby tried an AOL group too.

Your a retard and have humped every door knob you can find, so have
you tried the aol door knobs?
>
>
> Spring is here, and I can use some crap to fertilize my rhubarb. But it
> isn't worth
> $70!

Well just take the crap outta your mouth and you have all the
fertilizer you need.
>

>
> You aren't listening, dammit. <SLAPPP!>

You still aren't listening either, hmm maybe a little two by four
therapy will work on this monkey brained fool.
>
>
> Please to post the references to scientific, refereed, published research.

Been done, but you like the other monkey brain morons just turn your
nose up at it, you prefer to pick lice and lick each others ass than
to educate yourselves.
>
>
> I hate it when TOS-twirps fail to use the subjunctive case. <SLAPPPPP!!!>

Did you learn self hatred from nlp?
>
>
> So that's why it makes no sense? I knew there was a reason.

Of course to monkey brained morons improvements on something that
exists wouldn't make sense, that is why your stuck in the nlp world of
losers and drug abusers. I reckon using old wagon wheels on your car
is go enough, bah who needs improvements.
>
>
> Now maybe you can start using it.

and once again you can jack off to one more ignorant monkey brained
moronic post.
> ...
>
> Enough!! <SLAPPP! SLAP!!!>

Hmmm, pretty cowardly to have to slap someone over the internet, be a
man step up and do it in person.
>
>
> Now go or I will install a phobia of doorways in you.

The only thing you can install is richards dick in your mouth, cum on
enlightenment.
>
> card xii

UnKaH HellBwat

HellBrat

Ohhh, so this bullshit from card is coming from the science group, are
you a scientist?
Well there is a scientist who says this is good stuff and it was
mainly because of this scientist, that many of the changes with the 3D
Mind came about, because he straightened Tom out on how the brain
really works and even while the old, and I mean really old 3D mind was
a workable model, this new one kicks ass, BUT you, in your infinite
monkey brain wisdom decided it's not and with out any proof to back
your claims up.

Real genuine scientists always come from the point of view of intrest
and curiosity and the let's see what happens point of view, your point
of view is already tainted with your masked ignorance.

So before we move on, let's beg this question, what the fuck are your
credientials? Before you can lay claim to destryiong someones work you
must have some knowledge of what your fucking talking about.

So tell us what your credentials are, then tell us in detail why you
know for a fact the 3D Mind isn't based in science, take the model and
pick it apart, but I already know what is going to happen, you think
your the alpha male, when really, your my bitch.

So before you come back slamming something your ignorant of, please
give your details on your credentials and a detailed description of
why, based on science and facts, not your ignorant opinion, the 3D
Mind isn't a working model. I'm betting you can't because your a
monkey brain inbred retard.


UnKaH HellBwat




On Apr 26, 1:47 pm, "Card XII" <blotspar...@sciencefrontiers.com>
wrote:
> "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
>
> news:YpadnSyZp-JpI63bnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
>
>
> > "Card XII" <blotspar...@sciencefrontiers.com> wrote in message
> >news:Y_2Yh.7394$ya1.3942@news02.roc.ny...
>
> >> There is a reason it was free, and reasons why lamers put it on
> > Yahoogroup:
>
> >> It was crap. It still is. You problaby tried an AOL group too.
>
> > And here is proof.....you never have been on the group nor purchased the
> > product.
>
> > You opinion is now mute.
>
> Great logic. No wonder you know so much.
>
> The burden of proof is on you. You said that there was "research," proof,
> etc. Well, this is a science group, and you are obligated to back up such
> statements with scientific proof. That means it has to be peer reviewed,
> replicable, disprovable, the works.
>
> My not having purchased the product or joining the group are proof of one
> thing: I'm not that stupid. I have looked into your claims, and they are
> absolutely bogus. You don't appear to know anything past Velikovsky I.
>
> You also don't seem to know your ISP's TOS, such as not posting ads to
> groups that don't allow it.
>
> You blew your horn, now post the proof.
>
> card xii
> Hammer of Thor, May 2005
> Order of the detrevnI Buckyball

HellBrat

Really, where have you looking into those claims? Details budro
details that can be verified, or you just another blowhard?


UnKaH HellBwat

> My not having purchased the product or joining the group are proof of one
> thing: I'm not that stupid. I have looked into your claims, and they are
> absolutely bogus.

HellBrat

Dear Krusty Balls:

This issue has been debated over and over on alt.pyschology.nlp
Posted again and again was something from some one who we fondly refer
to as Dr. Ken.
Tom has posted Dr. Ken on you tube or your tube or what ever that site
it.

I have posted link after link of studies validating the brain models
according to studies done by universitys which fit nicely into the 3D
mind model, yet, again and again, yet you don't want to hear or see
nothing out side of the shitty world you live in.

If you want a scientist, a real scientist to argue with, go argue with
Dr. Ken and watch as your shitty little world get torn apart by facts.


UnKah HellBwat

On Apr 26, 8:04 pm, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:
> "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com> wrote innews:HJWdnRFREL-rdq3bnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@adelphia.com:
>
> > Thanks for verifying my point. You have stated that somthing is crap
> > and yet you know nothing of it.
>
> > So much for science
>
> Once again you respond poorly to questions and criticism, tom.
> "So much for science"? You have NOT provided any scientific evidence that
> this stuff actually works, just a really lame testimonial that no one who
> is not an idiot would believe.
>
> If your responses are an indication of how your product helps people then
> I will pass.
>
>

HellBrat

God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply your
opinion is now silenced.
Moot was not the proper usage in the context of that sentence. If he
had intended on using the word moot, then point would be added.

Moot" is a very old word related to "meeting," specifically a meeting
where serious matters are discussed. Oddly enough, a moot point can be
a point worth discussing at a meeting (or in court)-an unresolved
question-or it can be the opposite: a point already settled and not
worth discussing further.

It does seem as if this card person has the mentality of a retarded 5
year old. If indeed a mistake did happen, to laugh and make pointed
fun at something as trivial as that, renders the laugher, emotionally
immature. Grasping at anything to humilate, demean and try to take
away the validty of Tom's statements, such posturing is the works of
someone who is insanely insecure within himself to reasonably argue
his points. Your giant effort to destroy something you have no
knowledge of, and using only your ignorance as your guide is having
quite the opposite effect. If you really want to know what stupidity
looks like, take a good long look in the mirror.

This whole thing is now mute ( silenced ), if you really wish to
debate anything of value, let me know, for I surely love a good
debate, you can pick the subject, I will even refrain from calling you
names.

Hell, let's do this the right way, how about this entire list against
me in a debate and you get to pick the subject.
Game?


UnKaH HellBwat
> :
> : You opinion is now mute.
> :
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!! Mute?
>
> BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> Idiot, you cannot silence another unless you kill them.
>
> Are you threatening bodily harm? Should we call the cops?
>
> Or are you just plain deluded
>
> If you are indeed that stupid, and I believe you are, then obviously
> your CD's are not even worth two cents since you wasted them by
> imprinting them with stupidity verified by your statement above.
>
> I just rendered your nonsense moot.

Dumb ass, the proper way to say that would be I just renedered your
nonsense a moot point.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you fucking moron.

ThePsyko

On 27 Apr 2007 I stormed the castle called sci.psychology.psychotherapy
and heard HellBrat cry out in news:1177694082.670602.46120
@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

> God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply your
> opinion is now silenced.

and just how does one silence anothers opinion on usenet?

How can you "mute" somebody?

Besides the obvious cancel/supercede bots of course.

I'll be waiting...


> Moot was not the proper usage in the context of that sentence. If he
> had intended on using the word moot, then point would be added.
>
> Moot" is a very old word related to "meeting," specifically a meeting
> where serious matters are discussed. Oddly enough, a moot point can be
> a point worth discussing at a meeting (or in court)-an unresolved
> question-or it can be the opposite: a point already settled and not
> worth discussing further.
>
> It does seem as if this card person has the mentality of a retarded 5
> year old. If indeed a mistake did happen, to laugh and make pointed
> fun at something as trivial as that, renders the laugher, emotionally
> immature. Grasping at anything to humilate, demean and try to take
> away the validty of Tom's statements, such posturing is the works of
> someone who is insanely insecure within himself to reasonably argue
> his points. Your giant effort to destroy something you have no
> knowledge of, and using only your ignorance as your guide is having
> quite the opposite effect. If you really want to know what stupidity
> looks like, take a good long look in the mirror.
>
> This whole thing is now mute ( silenced ), if you really wish to
> debate anything of value, let me know, for I surely love a good
> debate, you can pick the subject, I will even refrain from calling you
> names.
>
> Hell, let's do this the right way, how about this entire list against
> me in a debate and you get to pick the subject.
> Game?
>
>
> UnKaH HellBwat
>> :
>> : You opinion is now mute.
>> :
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!! Mute?
>>
>> BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> Idiot, you cannot silence another unless you kill them.
>>
>> Are you threatening bodily harm? Should we call the cops?
>>
>> Or are you just plain deluded
>>
>> If you are indeed that stupid, and I believe you are, then obviously
>> your CD's are not even worth two cents since you wasted them by
>> imprinting them with stupidity verified by your statement above.
>>
>> I just rendered your nonsense moot.
>
> Dumb ass, the proper way to say that would be I just renedered your
> nonsense a moot point.
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you fucking moron.
>
>
>



--
ThePsyko
Public Enemy #7

**Pissing off the planet, one person at a time**

Tom Vizzini

"ThePsyko" <thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote in message
news:Xns991F6A3E98963LifeIsGood@nntp.petitmorte.ne t...
> On 27 Apr 2007 I stormed the castle called sci.psychology.psychotherapy
> and heard HellBrat cry out in news:1177694082.670602.46120
> @o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply your
> > opinion is now silenced.
>
> and just how does one silence anothers opinion on usenet?
>
> How can you "mute" somebody?

Easy....you just stop listening.

Honestly it was a voice recognition software glitch...get a life.

Tom Vizzini

"HellBrat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177692904.511205.295470@c18g2000prb.googlegr oups.com...
> Dear Krusty Balls:
>
> This issue has been debated over and over on alt.pyschology.nlp
> Posted again and again was something from some one who we fondly refer
> to as Dr. Ken.
> Tom has posted Dr. Ken on you tube or your tube or what ever that site
> it.

Here is it. 9 minutes that will change the way you think about the brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWV_s8H_prY

The bottom line is that these guys would know scientific proof if you
dropped it in their pants. It is just a refrain to attack me personally
since they do not have the ability to attack the technolgy of the 3D Mind.

Have Fun

Tom

--
Real Skills for the Real World
www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind

Tom Vizzini

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:haWdnRpFWv7hrq_bnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@adelphia.com ...

> The bottom line is that these guys would know scientific

I meant to say WOULDN"T KNOW. Damn voice recognition


proof if you
> dropped it in their pants. It is just a refrain to attack me personally
> since they do not have the ability to attack the technolgy of the 3D Mind.
>
> Have Fun
>
> Tom
>
> --
> Real Skills for the Real World
> www.essential-skills.com
> Gold Members Area
> 3D Mind
>
>

ThePsyko

On 27 Apr 2007 I stormed the castle called sci.psychology.psychotherapy
and heard Tom Vizzini cry out in
news:ubadnYN-tpfErq_bnZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@adelphia.com...

>
> "ThePsyko" <thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns991F6A3E98963LifeIsGood@nntp.petitmorte.ne t...
>> On 27 Apr 2007 I stormed the castle called
>> sci.psychology.psychotherapy and heard HellBrat cry out in
>> news:1177694082.670602.46120 @o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply
>> > your opinion is now silenced.
>>
>> and just how does one silence anothers opinion on usenet?
>>
>> How can you "mute" somebody?
>
> Easy....you just stop listening.

ignoring != muting



>
> Honestly it was a voice recognition software glitch...get a life.
>
>
>
>



--
ThePsyko
Public Enemy #7

**Pissing off the planet, one person at a time**

Laughing at you..now...

>And your mother is a crack ho, and still is.

wow..that hurt... Attack those not involved, great comeback..

>No, your not listening, your a fucken moron, you've never seen or had
>the 3d Mind, your just another nlp monkey making noise.

NLP is no more reality then 3D mind. And you are still a loser...

>> There is a reason it was free, and reasons why lamers put it on Yahoogroup:

>There reason it was free was because some people just didn't get it
>and needed the extra help, do you or any of the other nlp monkeys do
>that, follow ups, after product help? Of course not, you just say, hey
>you didn't get it so come to another seminar and then you'll get it,
>but what your talking about is getting fucked and not getting any real
>knowledge they can use.

Then why attempt to double the price...is it because the
1st one is free, the rest cost? What do the 'retarded elves' say?

>> It was crap. It still is. You problaby tried an AOL group too.

>Your a retard and have humped every door knob you can find, so have
>you tried the aol door knobs?

wow..you still do not answer the ?, yet resort to childish spew..

>> Spring is here, and I can use some crap to fertilize my rhubarb. But it
>> isn't worth $70!

>Well just take the crap outta your mouth and you have all the
>fertilizer you need.

You still do not answer the ?, yet $70 is chicken shit. I spend more
then that on guitar toys that fall apart in my hands. *IF* it helps anyone,
$70 is nothing..and cheap...but then, 2007 version is what, $140?

Sounds like a scheme to me..get ya hooked, charge for the group,
then pimp ver: 2007. Porn people stopped shuch crap years ago.

I really thought Tom had better biz sense then that..guess I was wrong.

>You still aren't listening either, hmm maybe a little two by four
>therapy will work on this monkey brained fool.

wow..'hellpussy' wants to use a 2 x 4 to make his point.

ANYBODY with stones knows, a jerk with a 2 x 4 may get 1 or
2 shots in, but the rest will be on HIS arse. Lame cowardly reply
there, oh hell spawned loser. I laugh at you and ya 'hell'...

>> Please to post the references to scientific, refereed, published research.

>Been done, but you like the other monkey brain morons just turn your
>nose up at it, you prefer to pick lice and lick each others ass than
>to educate yourselves.

WHERE are those ref's..? Yet, all you do is reply like the childish
loser you pretend to be, using a comic book name, and acting like,
someone who has read too many cheap comics. Laughable at best.

>> So that's why it makes no sense? I knew there was a reason.

>Of course to monkey brained morons improvements on something that
>exists wouldn't make sense, that is why your stuck in the nlp world of
>losers and drug abusers. I reckon using old wagon wheels on your car
>is go enough, bah who needs improvements.

That makes no sense at all, and I expected nothing less from 'hellbrat'..

>> Now maybe you can start using it.

>and once again you can jack off to one more ignorant monkey brained
>moronic post.

AGAIN, none of you respond in the real world, I expect nothing less.

>Hmmm, pretty cowardly to have to slap someone over the internet, be a
>man step up and do it in person.

Coming from a 'hellbrat' who believes in "..retarded elves.."

>The only thing you can install is richards dick in your mouth, cum on
>enlightenment.

Seems said hellpussy has faggot dreams about whom he is afraid of..

Tom, if you are reading this, can you not see how said loser
is hurting whatever good thing/profitable thing you are trying
to reach..or do you even care how this hurts your pimping on Usenet..?

> UnKaH HellBwat

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....U loser...


JJTj

Peter

In message <TcCdnXWAqoaAlq_bnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com>, Tom Vizzini
<Tom@essential-skills.com> writes
>
>"gnr" <gunerharun@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1177679091.430041.127880@r3g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>
>> And in the end anyone can do as they please. I am getting changes that
>> I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff..
>
>Here is the one point that never gets addressed. 3D mind works where other
>methods have failed.

Prove it; expecting people to accept it as a matter of belief does not
cut it in the sciences. Do you have proof to back up your claims, or do
you expect people to accept your word in the absence of proof?

>Of course Harun your success can't be real. You must be lying. That is the
>only way these guys can continue to attack the 3D mind.

Oh really? "The only way"? Now you have put yourself in the position of
having to prove something else, namely that the only way to criticise
your psychobabble is by virtue of being a liar. Can you prove this too?

There is no need to lie; you don't produce evidence, data, to
substantiate your point. That you have failed to do so and when asked to
went off in a hissy fit says much about you and your claims, I do
believe. You are clearly no scientist, and appear to feel that people
should accept your claims without data. That's for starters.

In any instance where you make claims some kind of proof is necessary,
empirical or a priori. I see no such thing, merely addled ad hominem
argumenta of the play ground variety.

>Let me change that.....They can't attack the 3D Mind. The can't argue with
>the results.

What results, and why? How can you prove that this thing you call "the
3D mind" cannot be attacked, never mind questions concerning whether the
concept is valid and has been validly tested, using scientific methods?

>All they have to attack is me personally.

Really? Tell us, in which empirical journal are these results published,
what are they, and what is the judgement of your peers in science? That
way your data can be attacked, rather than the person. If they stand up
and are accepted by the scientific community, so be it. For now at
least.

>The truth is that the 3 D Mind works. People from all over the world are
>getting amazing results. Everything from shyness to elevator phobias to
>dealing with the stress of immune deficiancy disorders.

In the scientist-practitioner model people either produce evidence to
prove their point, or are considered to be running away from criticism.

If you cannot produce empirical/statistical evidence to substantiate
your point, if you cannot produce data that are replicable, can be
publicly scrutinised, are falsifiable, verifiable, testable, are founded
on a clearly articulated body of theory <itself fitting into the
appropriate, prevailing scientific paradigm, unless you set off a
paradigm shift>, from which operational statements are derived and then
tested to generate said data, you can expect people to laugh at you in
the same way that believers in fairies are laughed at and offered tin
foil hats...

....got theory? Got hypotheses? Got data, or only fairies? Have a word
with Hammond about SPOG: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3y8rqb

You have spoken of improvements over a number of years <9 was it?> that
have resulted in updates via a Yahoo group, and these imply a process of
gathering data, either in responses to flaws that you have putatively
uncovered, or putative additions to knowledge independent of such flaws.

Since a data gathering process is implicit in what you have claimed, so
you won't have any difficulty in producing these data, will you?

>Every day people are able to use the 3D Mind to overcome life long problems.

Ou est la proofie-woofie?

>That is what pisses these people off. You no longer need years of training
>and tens of thousands of dollars to get results. All you need is a couple of
>hours and you can begin helping yourself.

Ou est la proofie-woofie? Outcome studies? Long term follow up studies?
Comparisons with other therapeutic disciplines and or medications?
Efficacy? Placebo?

>> If you stumble upon these guys' responses please always ask yourself,
>> Why in the world are they struggling so hard to prove that 3dmind is
>> crap? Might it be that posting bullshit on the iinternet feeds them
>> feel powerful, deserving ,valued feeling that they need?
>
>Yep.....weak minded poeple use the internet to feel powerful and important.

That is known as psychologising; IOW making claims about the mental
states of other individuals requires the abilities to read minds. When
people do so I regard their pretensions to scientific status in a
similar light, especially since they do not appear to adduce evidence
for even their claims about those mental states about which they by
implication claim to have knowledge.

Furthermore, when you accuse your interlocutors of being NLP adherents,
without looking up their details, you can look very silly. You did so to
a prominent forensic psychologist. That means 'scientist'. What are my
qualifications? Try neurophysiology and forensic psychology.

>Have fun

Clearly you are, and AFAICT making money out of it without recognised
tests of efficacy, IOW, ou est la proofie-woofie?

>Tom
>
>
>--
>Real Skills for the Real World

....require proofie-woofie, data, public acceptance on the basis of
rigorous testing and publicly available experimental data, conforming to
recognised standards.

Got this have we?

>www.essential-skills.com
>Gold Members Area
>3D Mind
>
>

--
Peter

gnr

On Apr 27, 5:18 pm, Like you really care who this is.. <.....last room
on the right...> wrote:
> >Actually I didn't. Harun did. If you like to check his IP address you will
> >see that he resides in Turkey. I may be good but I can't be in United
> >States and Turkey at the same time.
>
> You can't post from another ISP in another country? WOW..I can..

Hey if you want to talk to me

send your phone number to gunerharun@gmail.com

I will be more than happy to give you a call

Harun

Day Brown

On Apr 27, 1:07 pm, Laughing at you..now... <up yers.con> wrote:
> AGAIN, none of you respond in the real world, I expect nothing less.
I dont pretend to know where these messages go or come from. I read in
the Bagavad gita that some of what you see are divinely created and
animated forms which exist soley as a challenge to the fulfillment of
your khrama. From the way the Gita goes on, they seem like the
monsters in a 3D video game. Cosmic androids. The Gita calls them
"Avatars".

I dunno if the Gita exists in your "real world", but in that which I
see, it seems that while you can learn from an Avatar, be he a fool or
a sage, you cant teach one anything. And from where I sit, you are
trying to teach Avatars and getting exasperated at it. Maybe that's
your kharma.

My reality structure also has the writings of 18th Century Bengalese
Saint Ramprasad, who stood at the apex of the Vedic canon before the
Brits took over. From it, he concluded that there are a myriad
realities. So- I can see how there's some that have this 3D mind
control thing working, and some in which only the most obvious
physical characteristics exist. Mine is somewhat ambiguous; Quantum
theory says there are 10-11 dimensions, depending on which wizard you
listen to, but none of them seem to have a clue as to what all these
other dimensions are for other than to make curious math equations
work.

Ramprasad said that everything you see is part of a "projected matrix"
out of the mind of Kali. And, there's no reason She cannot provide a
world in which you are the only wise man, and all the rest are
aggrevating fools, who in this case, go on about some kind of mind
control. I dunno why
you should care.

My Kharma has presented me with Tocharian, which seems to be the most
ancient and purest Aryan language ever found. They had words the
Greeks even hadnt invented. Like, along with words for men & women,
there's a suffix, "-os", which means "Sentient Being". They didnt
waste a lotta energy trying to illuminate fools. Whatever floats your
boat; its your kharmapath. BTW: in Tocharian, the word for Kharmapath
is "Kharmapath".

Someone as wise as you would enjoy living in the dominant Tocharian
City, Kucha. Kucha was run by the wicked witch of the East. You know
how rich China got exporting silk thru the Jade Gate. Know why they
call it the *Jade* Gate? Cause that's where China imported the best
green jade... from Kucha. There really was an emerald city, the
richest mining town on Earth for centuries. They didnt draft men into
the army, they drafted airhead bimbos into the brothels. When the
Kuchi coo, the men line up at the gate to protect the source of sexual
services. And when they leave, they pay for those services with the
Kuchan coin known as "cash".

They usta say that the magicians came from "The East". But if you look
in Chinese history, you see that their traidition was that the
astrologers, court magicians, and the "ma-ag" came from the *West*.
Well, Kucha was that East, or that West, the real home of the Magi.
And the cold dry desert conditions have preserved not only ghost towns
that are 1500, 2500, even 4000 years old, but also some of the
documents with absolutely genuine wiccan magic spells and herbal
recipes.

Kucha was not the only place where kooks came from, but some of the
more entertianing were to be found there. Does your real world have an
places like this?

Tom Vizzini

"Peter" <peter_hood@hotpopnomore.com> wrote in message
news:4FiaUJPu8kMGFwEC@ausi.com...
> In message <TcCdnXWAqoaAlq_bnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com>, Tom Vizzini
> <Tom@essential-skills.com> writes
> >
> >"gnr" <gunerharun@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1177679091.430041.127880@r3g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >>
> >> And in the end anyone can do as they please. I am getting changes that
> >> I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff..
> >
> >Here is the one point that never gets addressed. 3D mind works where
other
> >methods have failed.
>
> Prove it; expecting people to accept it as a matter of belief does not
> cut it in the sciences. Do you have proof to back up your claims, or do
> you expect people to accept your word in the absence of proof?

uhhhh...Did you read the first sentence?

"I am getting changes that
I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff"

I have hindreds of emails from hundreds of people just like this.

>
> >Of course Harun your success can't be real. You must be lying. That is
the
> >only way these guys can continue to attack the 3D mind.
>
> Oh really? "The only way"? Now you have put yourself in the position of
> having to prove something else, namely that the only way to criticise
> your psychobabble is by virtue of being a liar. Can you prove this too?

Do you read much? In previous posts I was called a liar and it was stated
that I must be posting as Harun.


>
> Really? Tell us, in which empirical journal are these results published,
> what are they, and what is the judgement of your peers in science?

Ahh journals...Money driven publications that do not require any real world
results.

That
> way your data can be attacked, rather than the person. If they stand up
> and are accepted by the scientific community, so be it. For now at
> least.

Oh. So you admit that the attacks have been personal. Thanks.

>
> Furthermore, when you accuse your interlocutors of being NLP adherents,
> without looking up their details, you can look very silly. You did so to
> a prominent forensic psychologist. That means 'scientist'. What are my
> qualifications? Try neurophysiology and forensic psychology.

Good then dispute this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWV_s8H_prY

You guys are lousy scientists. If it is not in a journal then it does not
exist? Your pathetic. I am glad the world does not have to depend on you to
create anything

Tom


--
Real Skills for the Real World
www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind

Laughing at you..now...

>Hey if you want to talk to me
>
>send your phone number to gunerharun@gmail.com
>
>I will be more than happy to give you a call
>
>Harun



No offense guy, and it seems I was commenting on another's
post, not yours, but the day I give out my PH# to anyone, let
alone over something I just laugh about on Usenet..well...

I recently posted my email address, ya want to talk, go for it, but
if it's just another 'hellbrat' spew, don't waste our time..

Because I really have better things to do..I hope U do too...

THAT is the bottom line. I am not in comp with 3D Mind, have
no care about it, and to be blunt, you should be trying to better
yourself, via 3D mind (IF that floats ya boat) or better means.

Talking to me should be the least of your options..

...unless.....it's just more ad spew..

NOT that I say you are on the lame level of 'hellbrat'..

But WHY would you care what *I* think, if 3D Mind works
so well for you, unless you just want to help pimp it...?


JJTj







---------------------------------------------------
Nature's way is to take away from
those who have too much and give
it to those that have too little.

Man's way, on the contrary, is to
take away from those who have too
little to give more to those who
already have too much..

Lao Tsu, circa 490BC
---------------------------------------------------

Laughing at you..now...

>On Apr 27, 1:07 pm, Laughing at you..now... <up yers.con> wrote:
>> AGAIN, none of you respond in the real world, I expect nothing less.

<folks, I'm not going to try to dump on anyone's belief(s) but...>

>I dont pretend to know where these messages go or come from. I read in
>the Bagavad gita that some of what you see are divinely created and
>animated forms which exist soley as a challenge to the fulfillment of
>your khrama. From the way the Gita goes on, they seem like the
>monsters in a 3D video game. Cosmic androids. The Gita calls them
>"Avatars".

Yeah right, wow..let's all light some incense and go "..ohmmmm"

>I dunno if the Gita exists in your "real world", but in that which I
>see, it seems that while you can learn from an Avatar, be he a fool or
>a sage, you cant teach one anything. And from where I sit, you are
>trying to teach Avatars and getting exasperated at it. Maybe that's
>your kharma.

I know 'gita' is not in MY real world.. My 'kharma' is better then that.

>My reality structure also has the writings of 18th Century Bengalese
>Saint Ramprasad, who stood at the apex of the Vedic canon before the
>Brits took over. From it, he concluded that there are a myriad
>realities. So- I can see how there's some that have this 3D mind
>control thing working, and some in which only the most obvious
>physical characteristics exist. Mine is somewhat ambiguous; Quantum
>theory says there are 10-11 dimensions, depending on which wizard you
>listen to, but none of them seem to have a clue as to what all these
>other dimensions are for other than to make curious math equations
>work.

I am so happy for your fantasy, how does that apply to 3D Mind..?

...I'm sorry, but it just sounds like a real lame Apple IIgs video game...

>Ramprasad said that everything you see is part of a "projected matrix"
>out of the mind of Kali. And, there's no reason She cannot provide a
>world in which you are the only wise man, and all the rest are
>aggrevating fools, who in this case, go on about some kind of mind
>control. I dunno why
>you should care.

About whatever that ment, I don't. Sorry, I don't really mean to dump on
what you believe, but it does nothing for me, and if THAT is what 3D Mind
(the subject at hand) is all about, then it has no place in the subject at hand.

...which was the post about the workplace, etc. Must I re-post TV's ad again?

>My Kharma has presented me with Tocharian, which seems to be the most
>ancient and purest Aryan language ever found. They had words the
>Greeks even hadnt invented. Like, along with words for men & women,
>there's a suffix, "-os", which means "Sentient Being". They didnt
>waste a lotta energy trying to illuminate fools. Whatever floats your
>boat; its your kharmapath. BTW: in Tocharian, the word for Kharmapath
>is "Kharmapath".

Whatever. From what country does it come from, or is this just another
fantasy land 'hellbrat' post. Doesn't sound like it. But it's all moot to the
subject at hand. Sorry if that may upset you, but read the reason of the 1st thread.

>Someone as wise as you would enjoy living in the dominant Tocharian
>City, Kucha. Kucha was run by the wicked witch of the East. You know
>how rich China got exporting silk thru the Jade Gate. Know why they
>call it the *Jade* Gate? Cause that's where China imported the best
>green jade... from Kucha. There really was an emerald city, the
>richest mining town on Earth for centuries. They didnt draft men into
>the army, they drafted airhead bimbos into the brothels. When the
>Kuchi coo, the men line up at the gate to protect the source of sexual
>services. And when they leave, they pay for those services with the
>Kuchan coin known as "cash".

ok, I see where you are coming from, and yes, if that workd for you, fine,
because it's not my place to be ignorant, but it still has little to do with
3D Mind. Again, I'm not dumping on the subject, but it has nothing
to do with the subject of 3D Mind and how it is pimped on Usenet.

IN FACT, your whole post should be INSULTED by the very idea
of being pimped on Usenet for 3D Mind. If not, so be it.....

>They usta say that the magicians came from "The East". But if you look
>in Chinese history, you see that their traidition was that the
>astrologers, court magicians, and the "ma-ag" came from the *West*.
>Well, Kucha was that East, or that West, the real home of the Magi.
>And the cold dry desert conditions have preserved not only ghost towns
>that are 1500, 2500, even 4000 years old, but also some of the
>documents with absolutely genuine wiccan magic spells and herbal
>recipes.

In Fact, I've now done net search on what you say, and it's real..but,
AGAIN, it has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand. Sorry.

>Kucha was not the only place where kooks came from, but some of the
>more entertianing were to be found there. Does your real world have an
>places like this?

WOW..that is some of the lamest crap I've read in years... It has nothing
to do with 3D Mind (or does it) and makes very little sense in the real world.

Is THAT what 3D Mind brings you...? I'm so happy for you...

MY family was abused by the Turks, in fact my dad's mom hid away to this country
via boat to escape things. I KNOW how the Turks handled folks, like her, whose
name ended in 'JIAN'. Do I hold every Turk responsiable? Of course not.

But there are 'kooks' on every side... Some worse then others..

AGAIN, it has nothing to do with you, what you say or 3D mind..

Just don't say it's the end all be all cause one needs to pimp 3D Mind..

Such actions insult you, what you say and all reality..

Those with ears should see what I say...

But really, thank you for the knowledge.

I've learned alot. And doubt if you should pimp 3D Mind with your history.



JJTj

Socky the Puppet

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:47:01 -0400, Laughing at you..now... <up
yers.con> proclaimed to the world:

>>Hey if you want to talk to me
>>
>>send your phone number to gunerharun@gmail.com
>>
>>I will be more than happy to give you a call
>>
>>Harun
>
>
>
>No offense guy, and it seems I was commenting on another's
>post, not yours, but the day I give out my PH# to anyone, let
>alone over something I just laugh about on Usenet..well...

Thinking he was serious about getting your phone number says a lot
about your own experience on Usenet.

Peter

In message <Prudndhu76mx_a_bnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@adelphia.com>, Tom Vizzini
<Tom@essential-skills.com> writes
>
>"Peter" <peter_hood@hotpopnomore.com> wrote in message
>news:4FiaUJPu8kMGFwEC@ausi.com...
>> In message <TcCdnXWAqoaAlq_bnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com>, Tom Vizzini
>> <Tom@essential-skills.com> writes
>> >
>> >"gnr" <gunerharun@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1177679091.430041.127880@r3g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And in the end anyone can do as they please. I am getting changes that
>> >> I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff..
>> >
>> >Here is the one point that never gets addressed. 3D mind works where
>other
>> >methods have failed.
>>
>> Prove it; expecting people to accept it as a matter of belief does not
>> cut it in the sciences. Do you have proof to back up your claims, or do
>> you expect people to accept your word in the absence of proof?
>
>uhhhh...Did you read the first sentence?
>
>"I am getting changes that
>I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff"
>
>I have hindreds of emails from hundreds of people just like this.

Emails != scientific proof.

Now produce some form of recognisable proof, rather than this "The
lurkers support me in email" playground stuff.

Before you run back to your fairies at the bottom of the garden, and
your lurker emails, read this, if you are able to:

"A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. In
such conclusions as are founded on an infallible experience, he
expects the event with the last degree of assurance, and regards his
past experience as a full proof of the future existence of that event.
In other cases, he proceeds with more caution: He weighs the opposite
experiments: He considers which side is supported by the greater
number of experiments: to that side he inclines, with doubt and
hesitation; and when at last he fixes his judgement, the evidence
exceeds not what we properly call probability. All probability, then,
supposes an opposition of experiments and observations, where the one
side is found to overbalance the other, and to produce a degree of
evidence, proportioned to the superiority. A hundred instances or
experiments on one side, and fifty on another, afford a doubtful
expectation of any event; though a hundred uniform experiments, with
only one that is contradictory, reasonably beget a pretty strong
degree of assurance. In all cases, we must balance the opposite
experiments, where they are opposite, and deduct the smaller number
from the greater, in order to know the exact force of the superior
evidence."

It was written by David Hume, and is part of the backbone of scientific
practise. It is the alternative to accepting wild claims without
evidence. It is better than Salem. It is better than recovered memory
therapy; it is better than Broxtowe; it is better than McMartin; it is
better than religious claims about the better life; it is better than
claiming one culture, social or racial group is superior to another; it
is better the claims of Ihuitu over Tootsie; it is a step toward finding
empirical truths rather than accepting the anecdotal data people claim
to have in the form of "hundreds of emails"; it is better to have
properly structured investigations that reveal the truth about anecdotal
claims and badly structured investigations - for example see Rhine, see
facilitated communication, see 'the talking cure' and such like -
structured scientific investigations cut out the false trails, the
random and consistent errata, they cut out the errors from retrospective
view, they cut out distortion by preconception, and they slice through
"proof via email".

You have no way of telling if your email discussants are lying to you,
you have no way of telling if they are merely labouring under a
misapprehension, and you have no way of telling if there is some kind of
placebo or other effect.

>> >Of course Harun your success can't be real. You must be lying. That is
>the
>> >only way these guys can continue to attack the 3D mind.
>>
>> Oh really? "The only way"? Now you have put yourself in the position of
>> having to prove something else, namely that the only way to criticise
>> your psychobabble is by virtue of being a liar. Can you prove this too?
>
>Do you read much? In previous posts I was called a liar and it was stated
>that I must be posting as Harun.

I am not interested; if you read very closely what I have written all I
want is proof, and that is the very thing that you have failed to offer.

>> Really? Tell us, in which empirical journal are these results published,
>> what are they, and what is the judgement of your peers in science?
>
>Ahh journals...Money driven publications that do not require any real world
>results.

Not merely a poor excuse, but a lay misperception of science and its
relation to the real world, a claim made by someone who expects me to
believe the "hundreds of emails" that he claims to have; now produce
data conforming to scientific standards, for public the public
domain/scrutiny. This playground stuff does not cut it, and it does not
conform to scientific practise, which it has to if you want to be
accepted. People made silly, wild claims about SRA and how to uncover
it. Now it's all falling away under the scientific knife.

Do you have scientific proof for your claims? Do you have data? Are your
claims accepted by the scientific community?

> That
>> way your data can be attacked, rather than the person. If they stand up
>> and are accepted by the scientific community, so be it. For now at
>> least.
>
>Oh. So you admit that the attacks have been personal. Thanks.

I "admit"? I have only posted once on this topic, for which you have
produced no proof. Moreover, I merely accepted without question
<something that you would rather like in connection with your claims>
your unproven claims, and asked you for data. It was simpler to do so.
Actually I think that people have been rather charitable with you.

So, where are your data, hmm?

If you do not provide data then all that is left is the person, and the
matter of whether they are a Mountebank, a seller of snake oil, a
fairground trickster, someone whose 'proofs' <in the form, I note, of
unverifiable testimonial rather than scientific proof> do not conform to
scientific practise.

I notice that you avoided the other criteria <not exhaustive> for good
science that I posted. Were you running away from these too?

>> Furthermore, when you accuse your interlocutors of being NLP adherents,
>> without looking up their details, you can look very silly. You did so to
>> a prominent forensic psychologist. That means 'scientist'. What are my
>> qualifications? Try neurophysiology and forensic psychology.
>
>Good then dispute this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWV_s8H_prY

Sorry, I am not interested in YT films, which do not constitute
scientific proof. Produce scientific proof, or be seen as someone
running away.

>You guys are lousy scientists.

Do you know anything about the practise of science? Do you have training
and standing in one of the sciences? For my benefit and the benefit of
others watching this thread, do expand on this, as it is of great
interest.

If you say that someone is 'lousy' at a discipline you must necessarily
be better than lousy, and recognised by the community in which you are
making such a claim as a reputable member of the community. So, go on,
put up. Show us some proof.

>If it is not in a journal then it does not
>exist?

Neither what I said nor what is asked of you, though it is interesting
to see you wriggle on the hook; produce for public scrutiny your DATA,
the tests that you performed on them; articulate the theory,
operationalise it, test it, and so on. Failure to do that != science.

I'll be around for perhaps a day or two. Shouldn't be difficult for you
to rustle up some scientific proof and the grounding for your
experimental work, in the form of a coherent theory conforming with the
prevailing paradigm which has been operationalised, data generated by
tests of said hypothesis, and the statistical tests subsequently
performed on these raw data.

If you do not do that, if you continue to evade the requests that I have
made, and if you continue to merely gainsay and make ad hominem remarks
<where you accuse others of so doing>, being very sceptical and very
well trained in the sciences, I will develop the opinion that you are a
fraud, a fake, a charlatan, a Mountebank and a liar who makes money by
selling snake oil.

>Your pathetic. I am glad the world does not have to depend on you to
>create anything

Really? That is all that you have? No proof, only ad hominem argumenta?
Tsk, tsk, you do exactly the thing you claim others do. I think this
means that you are a 'lousy scientist' and can only attack the person,
if your feet are held to the fire when you fail to produce credible data
after repeated requests.

"Scientist"? <Boggle>

To make the task of properly answering my requests for scientific data,
and related matters, I have quoted my original post, which you snipped
and failed to address.

HAND.


In message <4FiaUJPu8kMGFwEC@ausi.com>, Peter
<peter_hood@hotpopnomore.com> writes
>In message <TcCdnXWAqoaAlq_bnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com>, Tom Vizzini
><Tom@essential-skills.com> writes
>>
>>"gnr" <gunerharun@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1177679091.430041.127880@r3g2000prh.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>
>>> And in the end anyone can do as they please. I am getting changes that
>>> I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff..
>>
>>Here is the one point that never gets addressed. 3D mind works where other
>>methods have failed.
>
>Prove it; expecting people to accept it as a matter of belief does not
>cut it in the sciences. Do you have proof to back up your claims, or do
>you expect people to accept your word in the absence of proof?
>
>>Of course Harun your success can't be real. You must be lying. That is the
>>only way these guys can continue to attack the 3D mind.
>
>Oh really? "The only way"? Now you have put yourself in the position of
>having to prove something else, namely that the only way to criticise
>your psychobabble is by virtue of being a liar. Can you prove this too?
>
>There is no need to lie; you don't produce evidence, data, to
>substantiate your point. That you have failed to do so and when asked
>to went off in a hissy fit says much about you and your claims, I do
>believe. You are clearly no scientist, and appear to feel that people
>should accept your claims without data. That's for starters.
>
>In any instance where you make claims some kind of proof is necessary,
>empirical or a priori. I see no such thing, merely addled ad hominem
>argumenta of the play ground variety.
>
>>Let me change that.....They can't attack the 3D Mind. The can't argue with
>>the results.
>
>What results, and why? How can you prove that this thing you call "the
>3D mind" cannot be attacked, never mind questions concerning whether
>the concept is valid and has been validly tested, using scientific
>methods?
>
>>All they have to attack is me personally.
>
>Really? Tell us, in which empirical journal are these results
>published, what are they, and what is the judgement of your peers in
>science? That way your data can be attacked, rather than the person. If
>they stand up and are accepted by the scientific community, so be it.
>For now at least.
>
>>The truth is that the 3 D Mind works. People from all over the world are
>>getting amazing results. Everything from shyness to elevator phobias to
>>dealing with the stress of immune deficiancy disorders.
>
>In the scientist-practitioner model people either produce evidence to
>prove their point, or are considered to be running away from criticism.
>
>If you cannot produce empirical/statistical evidence to substantiate
>your point, if you cannot produce data that are replicable, can be
>publicly scrutinised, are falsifiable, verifiable, testable, are
>founded on a clearly articulated body of theory <itself fitting into
>the appropriate, prevailing scientific paradigm, unless you set off a
>paradigm shift>, from which operational statements are derived and then
>tested to generate said data, you can expect people to laugh at you in
>the same way that believers in fairies are laughed at and offered tin
>foil hats...
>
>...got theory? Got hypotheses? Got data, or only fairies? Have a word
>with Hammond about SPOG: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3y8rqb
>
>You have spoken of improvements over a number of years <9 was it?> that
>have resulted in updates via a Yahoo group, and these imply a process
>of gathering data, either in responses to flaws that you have
>putatively uncovered, or putative additions to knowledge independent of
>such flaws.
>
>Since a data gathering process is implicit in what you have claimed, so
>you won't have any difficulty in producing these data, will you?
>
>>Every day people are able to use the 3D Mind to overcome life long problems.
>
>Ou est la proofie-woofie?
>
>>That is what pisses these people off. You no longer need years of training
>>and tens of thousands of dollars to get results. All you need is a couple of
>>hours and you can begin helping yourself.
>
>Ou est la proofie-woofie? Outcome studies? Long term follow up studies?
>Comparisons with other therapeutic disciplines and or medications?
>Efficacy? Placebo?
>
>>> If you stumble upon these guys' responses please always ask yourself,
>>> Why in the world are they struggling so hard to prove that 3dmind is
>>> crap? Might it be that posting bullshit on the iinternet feeds them
>>> feel powerful, deserving ,valued feeling that they need?
>>
>>Yep.....weak minded poeple use the internet to feel powerful and important.
>
>That is known as psychologising; IOW making claims about the mental
>states of other individuals requires the abilities to read minds. When
>people do so I regard their pretensions to scientific status in a
>similar light, especially since they do not appear to adduce evidence
>for even their claims about those mental states about which they by
>implication claim to have knowledge.
>
>Furthermore, when you accuse your interlocutors of being NLP adherents,
>without looking up their details, you can look very silly. You did so
>to a prominent forensic psychologist. That means 'scientist'. What are
>my qualifications? Try neurophysiology and forensic psychology.
>
>>Have fun
>
>Clearly you are, and AFAICT making money out of it without recognised
>tests of efficacy, IOW, ou est la proofie-woofie?
>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>--
>>Real Skills for the Real World
>
>...require proofie-woofie, data, public acceptance on the basis of
>rigorous testing and publicly available experimental data, conforming
>to recognised standards.
>
>Got this have we?
>
>>www.essential-skills.com
>>Gold Members Area
>>3D Mind
>>
>>
>

--
Peter

Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA

From : Peter <peter_hood@hotpopnomore.com>
Message-ID : <HPe1Wese2mMGFwiN@ausi.com>



>I'll be around for perhaps a day or two



Why wait *stoopid* huh ? Pissoff now

That way *we* all get a break from your long winded homo waffling







--

Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
*I* care

Alan Keyes

"HellBrat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177694082.670602.46120@o40g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
: God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply your
: opinion is now silenced.

WOW! Another idiot rolls into the world. You, moron, are wrong, see your
next sentance.

: Moot was not the proper usage in the context of that sentence. If he
: had intended on using the word moot, then point would be added.
:

He? You moronic dipshit, you cannot speak for anothers "intent" ot
improper usage of the English language. Then read the rest of your
sentance above. Stupidity extroadinaire!

: Moot" is a very old word related to "meeting," specifically a meeting
: where serious matters are discussed. Oddly enough, a moot point can be
: a point worth discussing at a meeting (or in court)-an unresolved
: question-or it can be the opposite: a point already settled and not
: worth discussing further.
:

Go cry on your fag friends shoulder. K?

: It does seem as if this card person has the mentality of a retarded 5
: year old. If indeed a mistake did happen, to laugh and make pointed
: fun at something as trivial as that, renders the laugher, emotionally
: immature. Grasping at anything to humilate, demean and try to take
: away the validty of Tom's statements, such posturing is the works of
: someone who is insanely insecure within himself to reasonably argue
: his points. Your giant effort to destroy something you have no
: knowledge of, and using only your ignorance as your guide is having
: quite the opposite effect. If you really want to know what stupidity
: looks like, take a good long look in the mirror.
:

Why? are you standing behind me idiot?

: This whole thing is now mute ( silenced ), if you really wish to
: debate anything of value, let me know, for I surely love a good
: debate, you can pick the subject, I will even refrain from calling you
: names.
:

Don't you fucken moron, why refrain? Had you added your choice words it
would have only driven the nail in your coffin of illiteracy. Why? you
say? (silenced) past tense you freakin idiot, muted, past tense.

There is no arguing with an idiot, to do so would require me to drop to
the level of your intelligence/ignorance.

: Hell, let's do this the right way, how about this entire list against
: me in a debate and you get to pick the subject.
: Game?
:

ROTFLMAO! A troll! Thats all you are and you just admitted it to the
whole froup. That is what trolls do, what they revel in, wallowing in
horseshit. enjoy your fame idiotic troller.
:

Alan Keyes

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:ubadnYN-tpfErq_bnZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@adelphia.com...
:
: "ThePsyko" <thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote in message
: news:Xns991F6A3E98963LifeIsGood@nntp.petitmorte.ne t...
: > On 27 Apr 2007 I stormed the castle called
sci.psychology.psychotherapy
: > and heard HellBrat cry out in news:1177694082.670602.46120
: > @o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
: >
: > > God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply
your
: > > opinion is now silenced.
: >
: > and just how does one silence anothers opinion on usenet?
: >
: > How can you "mute" somebody?
:
: Easy....you just stop listening.
:
: Honestly it was a voice recognition software glitch...get a life.
:
:

Then stop drinking when you speak your posts, and tell your idiot sock
snotbrat she cannot speak for your idiocy.

So which is it, your listening excuse or slurring your words? Or is it
just the reverb of your verbage in your 3D world of Dumb, Dumber and
Dumbest?
:

Krus T. Olfard

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in
news:zIWdnV36t-jWhK_bnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@adelphia.com:

>
> "Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
> news:ZooYh.204752$ZA5.9901@newsfe15.phx...
>>
>
>> >
>>
>> I notice that once again you respond with a personal attack, rather
>> than answer the simple question regarding the research you claim has
>> been done
> on
>> 3d mind.
>>
>> Why is that?
>
> Again you lose.....I never claimed there was any research in the 3D
> Mind.
>
> Get a life
>

So are you saying that you just made up a bunch of keyboard jockey
bullshit then?
No research, just keyboard jockey bullshit?

and you wonder why you get no respect here?

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

Krus T. Olfard

gnr <gunerharun@gmail.com> wrote in news:1177679091.430041.127880
@r3g2000prh.googlegroups.com:

> And in the end anyone can do as they please. I am getting changes that
> I always wanted and didnt get with 3-4 years of NLP and other stuff..

so what you are saying is that all of this 3d bullshit psyched you up so
much that you feel you can ignore valid questions and just attack and
attack and attack anyone who has questions about 3d mind?

Nice to know what it does.

Anyone who wants to come across the same way as this loser should
immediately buy 3d bullshit and learn all his incredible debating
techniques.

Really...

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

Krus T. Olfard

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in
news:TcCdnXWAqoaAlq_bnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com :

>
> Of course Harun your success can't be real. You must be lying. That
> is the only way these guys can continue to attack the 3D mind.
>
> Let me change that.....They can't attack the 3D Mind. The can't argue
> with the results. All they have to attack is me personally.
>
>

actually I've just been flaming your pathetic advertising efforts, not
the product but since you obviously support the actions of 'harun' and
attribute his actions to 3d bullshit then I have to change that approach.
Any product that would make someone act the way that loser does has to be
a very lame product. He can't even answer a simple question that does not
demonstrate acceptance of his point of view - he just attacks instead and
at a totally juvenile level.

too bad...

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

Krus T. Olfard

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in
news:UdSdnXMgk9tGja_bnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@adelphia.com :

>
> As usual you can't attack the 3-D Mind. You can't attack the positive
> results that the 3-D Mind gets. All you have is personal attacks.
>
> Thanks again for making my point. Game over for you.
>
>

nice try tom but it does NOT alter the FACT that no one would pay money
to become 'harun'-like. He's an abrasive asshole and you are claiming
that he is the end result of your 3d bullshit. He should be the starting
point of your 3d bullshit.
Now I am attacking your product - if he is the end result of using your
product then your product is worthless.

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

Odious

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:zIWdnV36t-jWhK_bnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
> news:ZooYh.204752$ZA5.9901@newsfe15.phx...
>>
>
>> >
>>
>> I notice that once again you respond with a personal attack, rather than
>> answer the simple question regarding the research you claim has been done
> on
>> 3d mind.
>>
>> Why is that?
>
> Again you lose.....I never claimed there was any research in the 3D Mind.
>

In your spam post starting this thread you wrote:

"So of course after seven years of research and improvements, the new 3-D
Mind 2007 is going to be infinitely better than the original."

I hope you're not pitching 3d mind for focus or memory enhancement.

Odious

"HellBrat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177692269.894597.35970@r30g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
> Ohhh, so this bullshit from card is coming from the science group, are
> you a scientist?
> Well there is a scientist who says this is good stuff and it was
> mainly because of this scientist, that many of the changes with the 3D

Tom claims there was no reseach in the 3d mind.

"Again you lose.....I never claimed there was any research in the 3D Mind."

Are you calling Tom a liar?

> Mind came about, because he straightened Tom out on how the brain
> really works and even while the old, and I mean really old 3D mind was
> a workable model, this new one kicks ass, BUT you, in your infinite
> monkey brain wisdom decided it's not and with out any proof to back
> your claims up.
>
> Real genuine scientists always come from the point of view of intrest
> and curiosity and the let's see what happens point of view, your point
> of view is already tainted with your masked ignorance.
>
> So before we move on, let's beg this question, what the fuck are your
> credientials? Before you can lay claim to destryiong someones work you
> must have some knowledge of what your fucking talking about.
>

You claim there is scientific proof to back up the claims you make about 3d
mind, yet when someone asks to see them, you attack them, call them stupid,
and demand to see their credentials?

Why are you so unable or unwilling to demonstrate that 3d mind is all that
you claim?

It seems to me that if you really had this abundance of proof and support,
you'd be eager to show it... yet you dodge and evade every question about
this support you claim to have.


> So tell us what your credentials are, then tell us in detail why you
> know for a fact the 3D Mind isn't based in science, take the model and
> pick it apart, but I already know what is going to happen, you think
> your the alpha male, when really, your my bitch.
>

Yawn.... again no debate, just posturing bullshit as I previously said.

Why can't you support your position?


> So before you come back slamming something your ignorant of, please
> give your details on your credentials and a detailed description of
> why, based on science and facts, not your ignorant opinion, the 3D
> Mind isn't a working model. I'm betting you can't because your a
> monkey brain inbred retard.
>

Why does he need to show credentials and then attempt to prove a negative,
when all it would take to negate his position is to show the mountains of
proof and support from real scientists you claim 3d mind has.

Odious

"HellBrat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177691385.738135.65060@b40g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>
>> Just did. It was really crap. Still is.
>
> And your mother is a crack ho, and still is.
>>
>
>>
>> You aren't listening. It was crap. Still is. And you by association
>> ...
>
> No, your not listening, your a fucken moron, you've never seen or had
> the 3d Mind, your just another nlp monkey making noise.
>
>> There is a reason it was free, and reasons why lamers put it on
>> Yahoogroup:
>
> There reason it was free was because some people just didn't get it
> and needed the extra help,

Meaning the product itself was insufficient. If I sell you a car that
doesn't run.... does it make that car any less of a lemon if I offer to give
you a ride for free when the car breaks down.


> Your a retard

Yep... again that pretty much sums up the support base for 3d mind.

Odious

"Laughing at you..now..." <up yers.con> wrote in message
news:60e433l8816fifhtqod20tltciv42eov5c@4ax.com...
>
>>And your mother is a crack ho, and still is.
>
> wow..that hurt... Attack those not involved, great comeback..
>
>>No, your not listening, your a fucken moron, you've never seen or had
>>the 3d Mind, your just another nlp monkey making noise.
>
> NLP is no more reality then 3D mind. And you are still a loser...
>

Oh no.... if you're not an NLP guy.... then what will the 3d mindless bash
when confronted with doubts and questions?

Odious

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:8sKdnUOdFuR5hK_bnZ2dnUVZ_qGjnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
>
> You already lost.....game over.
>
>
>

Again we see that Tom can't address the doubts and questions that his shoddy
marketing and spam provoke, so he just shoves his head in the sand and cries
game over.... say, who else do we know who does that?

Odious

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:foednRt-ApvGaKzbnZ2dnUVZ_tGvnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
> news:9RgYh.166398$g24.57626@newsfe12.phx...
>
>>
>> Now does that number include the people who bought 3d mind, saw little or
> no
>> results, and then were accused by you of not working hard enough to put
>> forth the required maximum effort to see results? Or do you exclude
>> those
>> folks from this number?
>
> Name one.

You're the one who posted about them in the thread about aiming for the
bottom of the barrel.. You claimed that you hear from them "time after
time." I assume you were not simply making that up for the sake of your
advertisement, and were actually talking about people you teach and interact
with... since you also reference, as an example, "one guy" on your mailing
list.

Was that not the case.... were you just making that all up?
Do those people you referenced not really exist or are they not really
having the difficulties you claimed in the post quoted below?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...e=source&hl=en

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
From: "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com>
Subject: Are you aiming for the bottom of the barrel?
Message-ID: sLSdnSv8SOGFwo_bnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@adelphia.com

Are you aiming for the bottom of the barrel?

Time after time I hear from people who seem to want to only put in the
minimum amount of effort in order to get their outcome.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

HellBrat

I swear to god you must be some of the stupidest people on this planet
we call earth.
If I say you are muted that means I will no longer hear anything you
have to say, or in other words in case you didn't get that, you can
talk all you want but nothing is coming out of your mouth as far as I
am concerned.
How in the world can you miss some thing so obvious, I mean really,
you must be brain dead.


UnkaH

On Apr 27, 1:24 pm, ThePsyko <theps...@itookmyprozac.com> wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2007 I stormed the castle called sci.psychology.psychotherapy
> and heard HellBrat cry out in news:1177694082.670602.46120
> @o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply your
> > opinion is now silenced.
>
> and just how does one silence anothers opinion on usenet?
>
> How can you "mute" somebody?
>
> Besides the obvious cancel/supercede bots of course.
>
> I'll be waiting...
>
>
> Public Enemy #7
>
> **Pissing off the planet, one person at a time**

HellBrat

Oh this is soooooo funny, man oh man do these so call scientists have
their panties in a bunch.
Now you fuckers are worthy of my abuse, simply because you have the
moxy to stand up even if your old lady clipped your balls. Oh this is
gonna be so much fun.



HellBwat

Alan Keyes

"HellBrat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177736341.727640.253710@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
:I swear to god you must be some of the stupidest people on this planet
: we call earth.
: If I say you are muted that means I will no longer hear anything you
: have to say, or in other words in case you didn't get that, you can
: talk all you want but nothing is coming out of your mouth as far as I
: am concerned.
: How in the world can you miss some thing so obvious, I mean really,
: you must be brain dead.
:

Laughing at you!

If you can't hear us and you are "muting" us, then why the hell are you
responding?

Your stupidity knows no bounds.

Peter

In message <1177736341.727640.253710@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
HellBrat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> writes
>I swear to god you must be some of the stupidest people on this planet
>we call earth.
>If I say you are muted that means I will no longer hear anything you
>have to say, or in other words in case you didn't get that, you can
>talk all you want but nothing is coming out of your mouth as far as I
>am concerned.
>How in the world can you miss some thing so obvious, I mean really,
>you must be brain dead.

That's it top poster, you run away, dance, avoid the questioning of your
interlocutors and, above all, provide no evidence to back your childish
claims.

Run away child. Go on.

> UnkaH
>
>On Apr 27, 1:24 pm, ThePsyko <theps...@itookmyprozac.com> wrote:
>> On 27 Apr 2007 I stormed the castle called sci.psychology.psychotherapy
>> and heard HellBrat cry out in news:1177694082.670602.46120
>> @o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply your
>> > opinion is now silenced.
>>
>> and just how does one silence anothers opinion on usenet?
>>
>> How can you "mute" somebody?
>>
>> Besides the obvious cancel/supercede bots of course.
>>
>> I'll be waiting...
>>
>>
>> Public Enemy #7
>>
>> **Pissing off the planet, one person at a time**
>
>

--
Peter

Peter

In message <TcCdnXWAqoaAlq_bnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com>, Tom Vizzini
<Tom@essential-skills.com> writes
>The truth is that the 3 D Mind works. People from all over the world
>are getting amazing results. Everything from shyness to elevator
>phobias to dealing with the stress of immune deficiancy disorders.

One last thing; what do you mean by "the stress of immune deficiancy
[sic] disorders"?

This is either very good science or the wild and dangerous claim of a
charlatan, a Mountebank, a liar selling snake oil.

Produce the data to substantiate your wild and dangerous claims.

Go on.
--
Peter

Peter

In message <1177736341.727640.253710@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
HellBrat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> writes
>I swear to god you must be some of the stupidest people on this planet
>we call earth.
>If I say you are muted that means I will no longer hear anything you
>have to say, or in other words in case you didn't get that, you can
>talk all you want but nothing is coming out of your mouth as far as I
>am concerned.
>How in the world can you miss some thing so obvious, I mean really,
>you must be brain dead.

That's it top poster, you run away, dance, avoid the questioning of your
interlocutors and, above all, provide no evidence to back your childish
claims.

Run away child. Go on.

> UnkaH
>
>On Apr 27, 1:24 pm, ThePsyko <theps...@itookmyprozac.com> wrote:
>> On 27 Apr 2007 I stormed the castle called sci.psychology.psychotherapy
>> and heard HellBrat cry out in news:1177694082.670602.46120
>> @o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > God damn your a really fucken stupid man, mute was used to imply your
>> > opinion is now silenced.
>>
>> and just how does one silence anothers opinion on usenet?
>>
>> How can you "mute" somebody?
>>
>> Besides the obvious cancel/supercede bots of course.
>>
>> I'll be waiting...
>>
>>
>> Public Enemy #7
>>
>> **Pissing off the planet, one person at a time**
>
>

--
Peter

Peter

In message <TcCdnXWAqoaAlq_bnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com>, Tom Vizzini
<Tom@essential-skills.com> writes
>The truth is that the 3 D Mind works. People from all over the world
>are getting amazing results. Everything from shyness to elevator
>phobias to dealing with the stress of immune deficiancy disorders.

One last thing; what do you mean by "the stress of immune deficiancy
[sic] disorders"?

This is either extremely good science or the wild and dangerous claim of
a charlatan, a Mountebank overreaching itself, a liar selling snake oil.

Produce the data to substantiate your wild and dangerous claims.

Go on.
--
Peter

gnr

You replied to Tom saying that he can post form an ISP in Turkey,
implying he was writing for me. I dont understand how you bright minds
can come up with this kinda bullshit its ok.

So this reply was especially made for you; to think twice before
bulshitting. I think you said you have better things to do than this
right? Are u sure?

"But WHY would you care what *I* think, if 3D Mind works
so well for you, unless you just want to help pimp it...? "

I dont I come in place when Tom writes someting and you and your
likes start pouring bullshit like the one I mentioned before. Why?
Because I know all about the 3dmind. And I know all about NLP too. I
also study the brain ... I have personally spent a week with Jeffrey
Zeig, Miltons foremost student. No he didnt teach me anything but I
picked up his mind and tips. Yet I wasnt able to put things into
practice. No amount of hypnosis helped no amount of NLP helped, EFT
and other bullshit didnt help. 3DMIND started changing that. So when
useless flamers come up and start attacking the 3dmind without asking
any questions or providing a view of their own to how changework
should happen, I find it an important thing to point out that they are
talking gibberish.

The problem here is if youz guys really wanted to learn about the
3dmind, you would have learned soooooooooooo much without even buying
the CDs. But instead people choose to flame and attack and attack. Its
only normal that Tom puts ads, he earns his life from helping people.
To me the difference in his ads is important. He always have an
article about something and I learn from them even if when most people
label them as ads. I also think about those who might be new here when
I respond to the flames. The flamers dont know shit about how to use
the 3dmind , they dont understand the core concept, they probably dont
know about any other change method and how the brain works but this
way of answers from them might result in new people losing their life
time struggling with methods that dont work or work temporarily.

Anyways once again if you ask questions about the process, if you ask
questions about the brain with the intention of at least picking up
the other sides mind, you will get great answers which will teach you
alot. Otherwise, you will get the responses you are getting now.

Harun

Peter

In message <1177750547.844014.175820@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>, gnr
<gunerharun@gmail.com> writes
>You replied to Tom saying that he can post form an ISP in Turkey,
>implying he was writing for me. I dont understand how you bright minds
>can come up
>with this kinda bullshit its oHO^HO^HO^HO^HO^SLAP

Cut out the crap, and post the proof for this risible, childish theory
of mind and its treatment.
--
Peter

Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA

From : Peter <peter_hood@hotpopnomore.com>
Message-ID : <X4eBbaVd3vMGFwTG@btinternet.com>


< alt.peter-hood.owned-by.professeur-von-two-steps > added


>>The truth is that the 3 D Mind works. People from all over the world
>>are getting amazing results. Everything from shyness to elevator
>>phobias to dealing with the stress of immune deficiancy disorders.
>


>One last thing; what do you mean by "the stress of immune deficiancy
>[sic] disorders"?


Poore homo Pete doesn't understand complex things such as Primary Immunodeficiency
Disorder. Don't feel ashamed *stoopid*, just educate yourself

It's like this, when one of *your* homo friend gets AIDS, he will stress out
Get it now huh ?



>This is either extremely good science or the wild and dangerous claim of
>a charlatan, a Mountebank overreaching itself, a liar selling snake oil


Easeup 'ol chap, charlatan and mountebank in the same sentence, that's
gay and repetitive diction that demonstrates *your* insufficient development
in diverse rhetorical strategies



>Produce the data to substantiate your wild and dangerous claims

Search for it yourself *stoopid*, then when *you* find it.. Pissoff







--

Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
*I* care

gnr

". He's an abrasive asshole and you are claiming
that he is the end result of your 3d bullshit. He should be the
starting
point of your 3d bullshit. "

LOL thanks for the attacks. But thats a lie my friend I have
generally written my posts with genuine care and anybody can take a
look at my posting history to see. And I advise they take a look at
your posting history as well. Anyways thanks again for your wonderful
compliments.

gnr

". He's an abrasive asshole and you are claiming
that he is the end result of your 3d bullshit. He should be the
starting
point of your 3d bullshit. "

LOL thanks for the attacks. But thats a lie my friend I have
generally written my posts with genuine care and anybody can take a
look at my posting history to see. And I advise they take a look at
your posting history as well. Anyways thanks again for your wonderful
compliments.

gnr

"Cut out the crap, and post the proof for this risible, childish
theory
of mind and its treatment.
--
Peter "

You really expect me to take you as something other than a moron and
answer politely with this attitude of yours?

You guys really have to be thought some social skills first. Pour your
desperation somewhere else than come and discuss when you are gonna
talk like there is a human on the otherside.

Peter

In message <1177753631.264062.317530@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups. com>, gnr
<gunerharun@gmail.com> writes
>"Cut out the crap, and post the proof for this risible, childish
>theory
>of mind and its treatment.
>--
>Peter "
>
>You really expect me to take you as something other than a moron and
>answer politely with this attitude of yours?

You've misbehaved enough in this thread, deserve some of the rudeness
you dish out, and still have no data.

>You guys really have to be thought some social skills first. Pour your
>desperation somewhere else than come and discuss when you are gonna
>talk like there is a human on the otherside.

No desperation at all; produce data to back up your claims, or be seen
as liars and charlatans.
--
Peter

Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA

From : gnr <gunerharun@gmail.com>
Message-ID : <1177753631.264062.317530@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups. com>


>You really expect me to take you as something other than a moron and
>answer politely with this attitude of yours?
>
>You guys really have to be thought some social skills first. Pour your
>desperation somewhere else than come and discuss when you are gonna
>talk like there is a human on the otherside



Take no notice of Dainty Peter of Sherwood, just a lot of wind blowing out
of Google searches. He is a *proven* academic fraud who takes delight in
floating around in usenet deliberately disrupting polite discussions
with his arrogantly rude homo attitude


The only place of this creep is in your killfile




regards
--

Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
*I* care

Peter

In message <12282472.bbf3a8@news.bumsport.net>, Honorable Professeur Von
TwoSteps OA <?.?@?.?.invalid> writes
>From : gnr <gunerharun@gmail.com>
>Message-ID : <1177753631.264062.317530@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups. com>
>
>
>>You really expect me to take you as something other than a moron and
>>answer politely with this attitude of yours?
>>
>>You guys really have to be thought some social skills first. Pour your
>>desperation somewhere else than come and discuss when you are gonna
>>talk like there is a human on the otherside
>
>
>
>Take no notice of Dainty Peter of Sherwood,

Ding! Your preoccupation with homosexuality.

>just a lot of wind blowing out
>of Google searches.

Proof for your claim being absent.

>He is a *proven* academic fraud

Proof for your claim being absent.

>who takes delight

Proof for this apparent reading of a mind on the other side of the world
being absent. You are doing very well in just this one post.

>in
>floating around in usenet deliberately disrupting polite discussions

LOL, look at you the original abuser of spp, making no scientific
contributions at all.

>with his arrogantly rude homo attitude

Ding! Your preoccupation with homosexuality. Resentment stemming from
your STD?

>The only place of this creep is in your killfile

That of course is where you will be, after this extended celebration -
for you - of all fools day. Enjoy it while you can, dead git. Changed
your yellow stained long johns yet, Queen of uncontrolled micturition?

Bye for now Grandma. Enjoy spending your Saturday evening in front of
your lover's computer, posting obsessively in Usenet.
--
Peter

Laughing at you..now...

>You replied to Tom saying that he can post form an ISP in Turkey,
>implying he was writing for me. I dont understand how you bright minds
>can come up with this kinda bullshit its ok.

Maybe you don't understand how the Net works, how to 'bounce'
or maybe you only have dial up. Whatever, but you don't understand.

>So this reply was especially made for you; to think twice before
>bulshitting. I think you said you have better things to do than this
>right? Are u sure?

wow..I can hardly wait for your personal message...

>"But WHY would you care what *I* think, if 3D Mind works
>so well for you, unless you just want to help pimp it...? "

>I dont I come in place when Tom writes someting and you and your
>likes start pouring bullshit like the one I mentioned before. Why?
>Because I know all about the 3dmind. And I know all about NLP too. I
>also study the brain ... I have personally spent a week with Jeffrey
>Zeig, Miltons foremost student. No he didnt teach me anything but I
>picked up his mind and tips. Yet I wasnt able to put things into
>practice. No amount of hypnosis helped no amount of NLP helped, EFT
>and other bullshit didnt help. 3DMIND started changing that. So when
>useless flamers come up and start attacking the 3dmind without asking
>any questions or providing a view of their own to how changework
>should happen, I find it an important thing to point out that they are
>talking gibberish.

I could care less about 3D Mind, NLP, hypnosis, or other bullshit. I said, if
it help you, fine. But the people who pimp 3D Mind act like complete losers
who can't handle when anyone doubts their holy grail. Take 'hellbrat' for
example, and Tom himself. Now YOU call everything BUT 3D Mind BS.

Maybe some folks don't have the issues I responded to about
the workplace, and doubt if ALL OF A SUDDEN 3D Mind cures all.

...when it's pimped by people who believe in "..retarded elves.."

>The problem here is if youz guys really wanted to learn about the
>3dmind, you would have learned soooooooooooo much without even buying
>the CDs. But instead people choose to flame and attack and attack. Its
>only normal that Tom puts ads, he earns his life from helping people.

Sorry, but no. I do not want 3D Mind. I also won't drive a Yugo, so
I have the right to decide what I think is crap by how it is sold...

...and Tom just throws insults at those who won't play in his pimped
sandbox. Maybe he should EXPLAIN what 3D Mind is, instead..

YOU still just throw insults and have yet to explain what it has
done for you. I'm sorry if I don't care enough about it to spend $$.

>To me the difference in his ads is important. He always have an
>article about something and I learn from them even if when most people
>label them as ads. I also think about those who might be new here when
>I respond to the flames. The flamers dont know shit about how to use
>the 3dmind , they dont understand the core concept, they probably dont
>know about any other change method and how the brain works but this
>way of answers from them might result in new people losing their life
>time struggling with methods that dont work or work temporarily.

But you still don't explain why, you just insult. Then 'hellbrat' chimes in,
and Tom uses '..game over..' . Sounds like one big scam..on Usenet.

IF 3D Mind was SOOOOOOO AWESOME, why is it on Usenet..a place
where even porn no longer sees as a viable avenue for sales..??..??

>Anyways once again if you ask questions about the process, if you ask
>questions about the brain with the intention of at least picking up
>the other sides mind, you will get great answers which will teach you
>alot. Otherwise, you will get the responses you are getting now.

Yes, well, to be honest, I'm sorry you need 3D Mind, I don't, and if
it helps you, fine. But it seems that 3D Mind just turns folks into
insulters who hide in the sand..some dreaming of "..retarded elves.."


JJTj

Laughing at you..now...

>"Cut out the crap, and post the proof for this risible, childish
>theory
>of mind and its treatment.
>--
>Peter "

It has, so far, been represented that way here...

>You really expect me to take you as something other than a moron and
>answer politely with this attitude of yours?

I asked nicely, and have yet to hear anything...

>You guys really have to be thought some social skills first. Pour your
>desperation somewhere else than come and discuss when you are gonna
>talk like there is a human on the otherside.

Well, maybe we'll call the "..retarded elves.." for help dealing with 3D Mind.



JJTj

HellBrat

Ok, here is yet another example of brain dead monkey people.

He asked why I am hearing them, yet I used the "EAXAMPLE of muting, I
did not say I am muting.

I swear you must be the stupidest fucken people on this planet. To
take something as simple as a statement used as an example and try to
use it as a means to attack, does your pettiness know any bounds?

I have met some increditably stupid people but you dip shit fuckers
take the cake.


Warm Reguards


UnKah HellBwat


On Apr 28, 3:29 am, "Alan Keyes" <Ake...@att.net> wrote:
> "HellBrat" <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177736341.727640.253710@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> :I swear to god you must be some of the stupidest people on this planet
> : we call earth.
> : If I say you are muted that means I will no longer hear anything you
> : have to say, or in other words in case you didn't get that, you can
> : talk all you want but nothing is coming out of your mouth as far as I
> : am concerned.
> : How in the world can you miss some thing so obvious, I mean really,
> : you must be brain dead.
> :
>
> Laughing at you!
>
> If you can't hear us and you are "muting" us, then why the hell are you
> responding?
>
> Your stupidity knows no bounds.

I can not belive how fucking stupid you really are.

HellBrat

Yeah dip shit except one thing, he has the guy on tape, oh my god he
has evidence, now what will you come back with...well it hasn't been
stuidied or the calling him a liar thing again?


Moron this later


UnKaH HellBwat

On Apr 28, 3:48 am, Peter <peter_h...@hotpopnomore.com> wrote:
> In message <TcCdnXWAqoaAlq_bnZ2dneKdnZydn...@adelphia.com>, Tom Vizzini
> <T...@essential-skills.com> writes
>
> >The truth is that the 3 D Mind works. People from all over the world
> >are getting amazing results. Everything from shyness to elevator
> >phobias to dealing with the stress of immune deficiancy disorders.
>
> One last thing; what do you mean by "the stress of immune deficiancy
> [sic] disorders"?
>
> This is either very good science or the wild and dangerous claim of a
> charlatan, a Mountebank, a liar selling snake oil.
>
> Produce the data to substantiate your wild and dangerous claims.
>
> Go on.
> --
> Peter

Peter

In message <1177770191.594154.233080@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups .com>,
HellBrat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> writes
>Ok, here is yet another example of brain dead monkey people.
>
>He asked why I am hearing them, yet I used the "EAXAMPLE of muting, I
>did not say I am muting.
>
>I swear you must be the stupidest fucken people on this planet. To
>take something as simple as a statement used as an example and try to
>use it as a means to attack, does your pettiness know any bounds?
>
>I have met some increditably stupid people but you dip shit fuckers
>take the cake.

This must be an example of the much vaunted "3D Mind" proponent
politeness, standing on the data provided.

Produce your data, or be seen for charlatans.

> Warm Reguards
>
>
> UnKah HellBwat
>
>
>On Apr 28, 3:29 am, "Alan Keyes" <Ake...@att.net> wrote:
>> "HellBrat" <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1177736341.727640.253710@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>> :I swear to god you must be some of the stupidest people on this planet
>> : we call earth.
>> : If I say you are muted that means I will no longer hear anything you
>> : have to say, or in other words in case you didn't get that, you can
>> : talk all you want but nothing is coming out of your mouth as far as I
>> : am concerned.
>> : How in the world can you miss some thing so obvious, I mean really,
>> : you must be brain dead.
>> :
>>
>> Laughing at you!
>>
>> If you can't hear us and you are "muting" us, then why the hell are you
>> responding?
>>
>> Your stupidity knows no bounds.
>
>I can not belive how fucking stupid you really are.
>
>

--
Peter

Peter

In message <fkg633hm4e238n1bks1paib4jl2scicabj@4ax.com>, Laughing at
you.. now... <up@yers.con.invalid> writes
>>"Cut out the crap, and post the proof for this risible, childish
>>theory
>>of mind and its treatment.
>>--
>>Peter "
>
>It has, so far, been represented that way here...

This is their chance to represent themselves properly, by presenting a
full set of data, statistical analyses, methodology... ...the whole
scientific experimental report thing.

>>You really expect me to take you as something other than a moron and
>>answer politely with this attitude of yours?
>
>I asked nicely, and have yet to hear anything...

Spp has seen its fair share of snake oil salesmen <and women> since it
was started, in 1996. I wouldn't hold your breath for too long.

>>You guys really have to be thought some social skills first. Pour your
>>desperation somewhere else than come and discuss when you are gonna
>>talk like there is a human on the otherside.
>
>Well, maybe we'll call the "..retarded elves.." for help dealing with 3D Mind.

"Retarded elves"? Do these people work for the Santa Claus of bogus
therapies then?
--
Peter

Peter

In message <vqf6335fk13g4f4tolkfrknb2t4jfkvvfc@4ax.com>, Laughing at
you.. now... <up@yers.con.invalid> writes
[...]
>I do not want 3D Mind. I also won't drive a Yugo
[...]

A therapeutic Yugo. Does more harm than good. LMAO.
--
Peter

Peter