HellBwat

On Jan 22, 11:14�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:


We don't have to get into it, the choice is always yours, if you come
at me with bullshit, you get bullshit back, if your civil, I am civil.

Why do you and I always seem to get into it? I don't mind ~ I'll
chat any NLP flavor you like...but where or what is NLP? The
so-called "bad man" of the 3d mild world?

MY question is how long have you been into nlp? For you see when I
first came into nlp, I saw it the same way as you do now, but as I
studied, read and couldn't get nlp to work on a consistent basis , I
had to ask why is that. Most of the techniques they use are located in
the cognitive mind ( outer layer of the brain ) where real change
doesn't happen. Real change happens when you get your emotions driving
the problem to stop over whelming you or getting out of control.

The techniques I presume you're talking about. I have to guess
because I've found A ton of valuable information that I use on a
daily
basis ~ all from NLP training. Does one show visual presentations?
Does one favor optional information? How much rapport do I need
to successfully sell this presentation? Meta programs and what are
their parameters and uses?

No, your wrong, I am not here to advertise, I am here to discuss,
anything that has to do with change work. Be it 3D Mind or nlp or
cognitive therapy..etc..etc.
It can be a nice little group once again if you ignore the morons.

We could chat all day and it might be a lovely chat ~ with the
exception of we wouldn't be talking 3d mild ~ your specific goal that
you
are here to advertise. The more talk of 3d mild, the more the
\phone rings with sales\. Too bad' this used to be a nice little
group.

That is just natural for people to want that, I wanted that at one
time, but the disappointment I was left with, which lead me to stop
looking into nlp.

When I took my first class or two I noticed the same thing. People
wanted to change. They wanted to believe in NLP. They wanted
NLP to be the savior.

Well that is always why they would tell you to do something else, I
mean if you hammer someone over and over again with different
techniques, something might work. It is the numbers game.

I'm a business guy. Results are what matter to me. When I worked with
a guy who didn't love his girl anymore, he didn't care about NLP. He
just wanted to love her again. I worked and failed. He was straight-
foward
and didn't care to fit into my model of change-work. I failed, we
failed. In
hindsight I know what I would do different. But I think you're right,
if I fold my
arms and stand there rigid, I'm not sure your average NLPer is going
to sway
my mind. But if you tickle me I might move in a slightly different
direction.

No dude, sorry nothing from the 3D Mind is like nlp.

There is a lot of valuable information in NLP and in it's techniques.
All
3d milds premises are from NLP. The manipulation of pictures/emotions
outside the brain' mapped onto a place outside the body, perhaps out
of
reach. Comes from a Bandler seminar Tom attended. The gold light.
Bandler.
What next ~ shooting arrows from your eyes?

Ok, novel idea's, but did they work? An Idea remains an idea unless
you can do something with it to create something that works.

Sorry dude once again you are mislead, Yes Tom and Kim did attend
Bandlers seminars, but what they teach and what he teaches is two
different things.

When I attended a Bandler trainers training there was all sorts of
novel
ideas. Ideas and techniques I've never considered before. Tom comes
out of the training and repeats Bandlers stuff verbaitm, and claims
it's his.
Look at all this new stuff I came up with!

Odious

"HellBwat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 22, 11:14?pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> We don't have to get into it, the choice is always yours, if you come
> at me with bullshit, you get bullshit back, if your civil, I am civil.

In other words your behavior is completly reactionary and controled by
others.

So once again timtom, how is it that eliciting and anchoring states, rapport
building,
tonality, and visualization etc. all don't work when part of SS or NLP....
yet when part of something Tom is selling they suddenly are the most
effective techniques for change ever developed?

HellBwat

On Jan 24, 11:56 pm, "Odious" <Odi...@cox.net.nospam> wrote:


Already been answered, your too stupid to get it, your not smarter
than a 5th grader, so go fuck yourself.
End of discussion.


UnKaH


>
> So once again timtom, how is it that eliciting and anchoring states, rapport
> building,
> tonality, and visualization etc. all don't work when part of SS or NLP....
> yet when part of something Tom is selling they suddenly are the most
> effective techniques for change ever developed?

Odious

"HellBwat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 24, 11:56 pm, "Odious" <Odi...@cox.net.nospam> wrote:
>
>
> Already been answered, your too stupid to get it, your not smarter
> than a 5th grader, so go fuck yourself.
> End of discussion.
>

You answered nothing.... you simply make excuses because you can't answer a
simple question. You say NLP and SS do not work... yet when Tom is selling
the same components on his site as are found in SS and NLP, you claim they
not only work, but work better than anything else out there.

So how is it exactly that anchoring, visualization, rapport, and eliciting
states all do not work, except when Tom is selling them?

>
> UnKaH
>
>
>>
>> So once again timtom, how is it that eliciting and anchoring states,
>> rapport
>> building,
>> tonality, and visualization etc. all don't work when part of SS or
>> NLP....
>> yet when part of something Tom is selling they suddenly are the most
>> effective techniques for change ever developed?
>