Tom Vizzini

Ryan is 19 and in college. He had several things he was working on but the
most important was his motivation for getting things done. He could not hold
a job because he would not work. He could not talk to women because he felt
so bad about himself. He would not study.

Here is an email Ryan sent to the 3D Mind List on 2/16/2008. Then on
2/24/2008 he posted a great follow up. If you really want to change your
life then take 2 minutes of your day and read these posts from Ryan

2/16/2008.......

Well it's been about 4 days since the shift and OOO MAN!
WOW HOLY FUCKING SHIT ! GOD!!
Here are all the amazing life changes i just experienced:

I am now a 4 hour sleeper.

I When I work I work faster and distract only a little.

numerous Woman (even ones that used to ignore me) that I used to know
from before have asked me if I had a girlfriend or showed obvious
liking in me.

Rapport works GOOD can improve though But i dont AUTO SMURF
Conversations omg!!! I can listen too OMG!!!

People try to talk to me and the ones who suck at calibrating wont
leave me the fuck alone.

SMurfing WORKS! It takes longer for some people.

I am more selfless... I try to help people

I am way way more ok with looking stupid

Girls like me but I dont care anymore. I used to fantasize and want
to loose my virginity soo bad. I DONT GIVE A FUCK. Just because they
like me doesnt me I need to take advantage of that.

Coffee does not do anything when I drink it

I dont get tired when I eat

I dont feel comforitable doing NOTHING and i used to love sitting at
home wasting time.

If i do play video games, Its only the competitive strategy ones(not
the safe ones where u kill computer controlled enemies). I play 4
times more effectively at the competitive strategy games.

I HAVE SO MUCH ENERGY WHEN I DO STUFF BUT NONe WHEN I AM NOT DOING
ANYTHING

I am never happy but can be pleased when I am working hard at
something or being social.

I hardly daydream now.

It is 12 degrees outside and i was wearing a short sleeve shirt with
just a trench coat, gloves, NO hat, and I wasn't dying. It was cold
but It didnt bother me like it used to.

I have a semi photographic memory. I know I can improve this.

IM stronger! My muscles work way better! Even when just walking.

my voice is stronger

Im not trying to be funny all the time

Probably more stuff that i forgot to mention.

Ryan

2/24/2008....

I went back to this post because i didnt read fully. I've been
unstable and could barely read for the past 2 weeks. Now I see your
saying "Balanced world I have released".

What the fuck??
It kinda makes sense because people act differently around me, and no
one is questioning my obvious behavioral change.

My question is this..
Did I go to another world, or is this the same world and I just
influence everything that is near me?

The reason why I ask is not just because people act different'ly
around me, but events, things I give a damn about are appearing, even
the stupid news is acting different.

-Ryan

3D Mind.....Simply Amazing

http://essential-skills.com/site.php/spgs/read/3dm


--
Anchoring Boot Camp April 27-27 Atlanta
http://essential-skills.com/site.php.../Anchoring2008
Real Skills for the Real World
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TomVizzini
www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind

HC

On Feb 26, 10:14 am, "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
> 3D Mind.....Simply Amazing
>

a·maz·ing [uh-mey-zing]

-adjective causing great surprise or sudden wonder.


Yup. Simply amazing. No argument from me on that.

Tom Vizzini

Interesting that no one can dispute the RESULTS that people have been able
to get with our products. All they can do is whine about getting spam.

Folks you can whine all you want but in the end if you want these kinds of
results there is only one place to look.

www.essential-skills.com


--
Anchoring Boot Camp April 27-27 Atlanta
http://essential-skills.com/site.php.../Anchoring2008
Real Skills for the Real World
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TomVizzini
www.essential-skills.com
Gold Members Area
3D Mind






"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:jMidnVUv6rOcsVnanZ2dnUVZ_r-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> Ryan is 19 and in college. He had several things he was working on but the
> most important was his motivation for getting things done. He could not
hold
> a job because he would not work. He could not talk to women because he
felt
> so bad about himself. He would not study.
>
> Here is an email Ryan sent to the 3D Mind List on 2/16/2008. Then on
> 2/24/2008 he posted a great follow up. If you really want to change your
> life then take 2 minutes of your day and read these posts from Ryan
>
> 2/16/2008.......
>
> Well it's been about 4 days since the shift and OOO MAN!
> WOW HOLY FUCKING SHIT ! GOD!!
> Here are all the amazing life changes i just experienced:
>
> I am now a 4 hour sleeper.
>
> I When I work I work faster and distract only a little.
>
> numerous Woman (even ones that used to ignore me) that I used to know
> from before have asked me if I had a girlfriend or showed obvious
> liking in me.
>
> Rapport works GOOD can improve though But i dont AUTO SMURF
> Conversations omg!!! I can listen too OMG!!!
>
> People try to talk to me and the ones who suck at calibrating wont
> leave me the fuck alone.
>
> SMurfing WORKS! It takes longer for some people.
>
> I am more selfless... I try to help people
>
> I am way way more ok with looking stupid
>
> Girls like me but I dont care anymore. I used to fantasize and want
> to loose my virginity soo bad. I DONT GIVE A FUCK. Just because they
> like me doesnt me I need to take advantage of that.
>
> Coffee does not do anything when I drink it
>
> I dont get tired when I eat
>
> I dont feel comforitable doing NOTHING and i used to love sitting at
> home wasting time.
>
> If i do play video games, Its only the competitive strategy ones(not
> the safe ones where u kill computer controlled enemies). I play 4
> times more effectively at the competitive strategy games.
>
> I HAVE SO MUCH ENERGY WHEN I DO STUFF BUT NONe WHEN I AM NOT DOING
> ANYTHING
>
> I am never happy but can be pleased when I am working hard at
> something or being social.
>
> I hardly daydream now.
>
> It is 12 degrees outside and i was wearing a short sleeve shirt with
> just a trench coat, gloves, NO hat, and I wasn't dying. It was cold
> but It didnt bother me like it used to.
>
> I have a semi photographic memory. I know I can improve this.
>
> IM stronger! My muscles work way better! Even when just walking.
>
> my voice is stronger
>
> Im not trying to be funny all the time
>
> Probably more stuff that i forgot to mention.
>
> Ryan
>
> 2/24/2008....
>
> I went back to this post because i didnt read fully. I've been
> unstable and could barely read for the past 2 weeks. Now I see your
> saying "Balanced world I have released".
>
> What the fuck??
> It kinda makes sense because people act differently around me, and no
> one is questioning my obvious behavioral change.
>
> My question is this..
> Did I go to another world, or is this the same world and I just
> influence everything that is near me?
>
> The reason why I ask is not just because people act different'ly
> around me, but events, things I give a damn about are appearing, even
> the stupid news is acting different.
>
> -Ryan
>
> 3D Mind.....Simply Amazing
>
> http://essential-skills.com/site.php/spgs/read/3dm
>
>
> --
> Anchoring Boot Camp April 27-27 Atlanta
> http://essential-skills.com/site.php.../Anchoring2008
> Real Skills for the Real World
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TomVizzini
> www.essential-skills.com
> Gold Members Area
> 3D Mind
>
>
>
>
>
>

HC

On Feb 26, 11:57�am, "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com> wrote:
> Interesting that no one can dispute the RESULTS that people have been able
> to get with our products.

Mr. Vizzini, has it occured to you that the "no one" that you refer to
simply don't believe the claims you make using unverified
"testimonials" as some sort of proof of something?


> All they can do is whine about getting spam.
>

When did spamming newsgroups (or email) become an acceptable form of
advertising?

HellBwat

On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:

Tell that to the thousands of people who spam ngs with advertising,
why would they do it if it didn't work, at least to some degree? Or
does that escape you?


Tim
>
> When did spamming newsgroups (or email) become an acceptable form of
> advertising?

HC

Oh, I see . . . that other people do it makes it acceptable.

Two things, no scratch that, three things . . .

1) You're a moron.

2) Thousands of people are murdered every year in the US, so by
applying your logic, murder is now acceptable.

3) You insist on making this about SPAM. That's just an annoying
subset of all that's wrong with the Vizzini Circus and the clowns
within. The POINT here is that Vizzini LIED while promoting (spamming)
his crap here in this venue.

Is that link that you said you had that disproves that fact shoved so
far up your ass that you haven't found it yet?


On Feb 26, 2:52�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Tell that to the thousands of people who spam ngs with advertising,
> why would they do it if it didn't work, at least to some degree? Or
> does that escape you?
>
> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> > When did spamming newsgroups (or email) become an acceptable form of
> > advertising?

Alex

Yes, you and Unkah Retard sure are some great examples of 3D Mind at work.

If that's what you call results, they're self-refuting.

in article 1K-dnUiRRaux2VnanZ2dnUVZ_qWtnZ2d@comcast.com, Tom Vizzini at
Tom@essential-skills.com wrote on 2/26/08 11:57 AM:

>
> Interesting that no one can dispute the RESULTS that people have been able
> to get with our products. All they can do is whine about getting spam.
>
> Folks you can whine all you want but in the end if you want these kinds of
> results there is only one place to look.
>
> www.essential-skills.com
>
>
> --
> Anchoring Boot Camp April 27-27 Atlanta
> http://essential-skills.com/site.php.../Anchoring2008
> Real Skills for the Real World
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TomVizzini
> www.essential-skills.com
> Gold Members Area
> 3D Mind
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
> news:jMidnVUv6rOcsVnanZ2dnUVZ_r-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> Ryan is 19 and in college. He had several things he was working on but the
>> most important was his motivation for getting things done. He could not
> hold
>> a job because he would not work. He could not talk to women because he
> felt
>> so bad about himself. He would not study.
>>
>> Here is an email Ryan sent to the 3D Mind List on 2/16/2008. Then on
>> 2/24/2008 he posted a great follow up. If you really want to change your
>> life then take 2 minutes of your day and read these posts from Ryan
>>
>> 2/16/2008.......
>>
>> Well it's been about 4 days since the shift and OOO MAN!
>> WOW HOLY FUCKING SHIT ! GOD!!
>> Here are all the amazing life changes i just experienced:
>>
>> I am now a 4 hour sleeper.
>>
>> I When I work I work faster and distract only a little.
>>
>> numerous Woman (even ones that used to ignore me) that I used to know
>> from before have asked me if I had a girlfriend or showed obvious
>> liking in me.
>>
>> Rapport works GOOD can improve though But i dont AUTO SMURF
>> Conversations omg!!! I can listen too OMG!!!
>>
>> People try to talk to me and the ones who suck at calibrating wont
>> leave me the fuck alone.
>>
>> SMurfing WORKS! It takes longer for some people.
>>
>> I am more selfless... I try to help people
>>
>> I am way way more ok with looking stupid
>>
>> Girls like me but I dont care anymore. I used to fantasize and want
>> to loose my virginity soo bad. I DONT GIVE A FUCK. Just because they
>> like me doesnt me I need to take advantage of that.
>>
>> Coffee does not do anything when I drink it
>>
>> I dont get tired when I eat
>>
>> I dont feel comforitable doing NOTHING and i used to love sitting at
>> home wasting time.
>>
>> If i do play video games, Its only the competitive strategy ones(not
>> the safe ones where u kill computer controlled enemies). I play 4
>> times more effectively at the competitive strategy games.
>>
>> I HAVE SO MUCH ENERGY WHEN I DO STUFF BUT NONe WHEN I AM NOT DOING
>> ANYTHING
>>
>> I am never happy but can be pleased when I am working hard at
>> something or being social.
>>
>> I hardly daydream now.
>>
>> It is 12 degrees outside and i was wearing a short sleeve shirt with
>> just a trench coat, gloves, NO hat, and I wasn't dying. It was cold
>> but It didnt bother me like it used to.
>>
>> I have a semi photographic memory. I know I can improve this.
>>
>> IM stronger! My muscles work way better! Even when just walking.
>>
>> my voice is stronger
>>
>> Im not trying to be funny all the time
>>
>> Probably more stuff that i forgot to mention.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> 2/24/2008....
>>
>> I went back to this post because i didnt read fully. I've been
>> unstable and could barely read for the past 2 weeks. Now I see your
>> saying "Balanced world I have released".
>>
>> What the fuck??
>> It kinda makes sense because people act differently around me, and no
>> one is questioning my obvious behavioral change.
>>
>> My question is this..
>> Did I go to another world, or is this the same world and I just
>> influence everything that is near me?
>>
>> The reason why I ask is not just because people act different'ly
>> around me, but events, things I give a damn about are appearing, even
>> the stupid news is acting different.
>>
>> -Ryan
>>
>> 3D Mind.....Simply Amazing
>>
>> http://essential-skills.com/site.php/spgs/read/3dm
>>
>>
>> --
>> Anchoring Boot Camp April 27-27 Atlanta
>> http://essential-skills.com/site.php.../Anchoring2008
>> Real Skills for the Real World
>> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TomVizzini
>> www.essential-skills.com
>> Gold Members Area
>> 3D Mind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-26 08:57:25 -0800, "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> said:

> Interesting that no one can dispute the RESULTS that people have been able
> to get with our products.

Gee, maybe if there was another source for these "big win" stories than
yourself, they might carry a bit more weight. As it is, you're no more
credible than the scientologists when they harp on all the great
effects of "going clear".

At any rate, it's not for anyone else to dispute your claims, it's up
to you to prove them.

-jcr

HellBwat

On Feb 26, 3:36 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:

Geez, so every one shits everyday and because everyone shits, that
doesn't make it acceptable to you, so you don't shit which leads to
the fact that you are full of shit.


> Oh, I see . . . that other people do it makes it acceptable.
>
> Two things, no scratch that, three things . . .

Ahh the childish name calling again, it would be very ease to come
back with something just as childish and juvenile but I choose to
refrain, it is called choice, which it seems you have little of, but
given the fact that you were abused and can't help it, I forgive you.
>
> 1) You're a moron.

The real shame is you weren't among those statistic's, maybe then
you'll find your peace.
You can not apply that logic to murder and advertising for they are
very different contexts and subjects, Oh shit I forgot, forgive me,
you don't have much in the way of choice do you, so you have to apply
any logic to just about anything instead of giving it a bit of
thought.
>
> 2) Thousands of people are murdered every year in the US, so by
> applying your logic, murder is now acceptable.

Here again is something called choice, you do know you don't have to
read it and can just skip it don't you? That would be far simpler and
you then wouldn't be so annoyed, or do you get off on being annoyed?
Once again you demonstrate the personality of an abuse child instead
of using logic to just pass it by.
>
> 3) You insist on making this about SPAM. That's just an annoying
> subset of all that's wrong with the Vizzini Circus and the clowns
> within. The POINT here is that Vizzini LIED while promoting (spamming)
> his crap here in this venue.

I have the link but I made you a deal, you didn't follow through with
your end of the deal, how hard would it have been to love your child
and love your wife with the deal I laid out, you just can't do that
because it goes against your abused nature, And your continued
hostility only shows the anger which is inside you.
>
> Is that link that you said you had that disproves that fact shoved so
> far up your ass that you haven't found it yet?
>

Tim

HellBwat

On Feb 26, 6:07 pm, Alex <akaufm...@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote:

And your continued anger over basically nothing is a fine example of
what?
What have you been using to deal with your anger issues? What have you
been using to deal with your childish remarks? Is this nlp at it's
finest? did you watch the video's of your uncle richard, did you see
the results he got, nothing by the way if you haven't seen the vid's.
Poor Alex, same bullshit and yet expecting a different outcome, wake
up son.


Tim



> Yes, you and Unkah Retard sure are some great examples of 3D Mind at work.
>
> If that's what you call results, they're self-refuting.
>
> in article 1K-dnUiRRaux2VnanZ2dnUVZ_qWtn...@comcast.com, Tom Vizzini at
> T...@essential-skills.com wrote on 2/26/08 11:57 AM:

HellBwat

On Feb 26, 7:33 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:

Sorry dude the the testimonies are proof, anecdotal proof but proof
none the less.
Yet you can not dispute it and since you can not dispute it, you say
the burden if proof is on Tom, but all the while he has proved it, but
all you can do is whine, bitch and complain.
While people are moving on with their lives while you sit, whine and
complain.
What does it really say about you when a simple post can get you all
upset?
You do know the simple thing would be just not to read it, but then
again, you really can't help yourself now can you? Care to explain why
you can't? What happens in your brain which makes you read and then
reply with stupid replies? You do know you can't help it don't you, no
matter how hard you try you have to come read, then whine.

Tim

>
> At any rate, it's not for anyone else to dispute your claims, it's up
> to you to prove them.
>
> -jcr

HC

On Feb 26, 10:17�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 3:36 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Geez, so every one shits everyday and because everyone shits, that
> doesn't make it acceptable to you, so you don't shit which leads to
> the fact that you are full of shit.
>

Good lord.



> > Oh, I see . . . that other people do it makes it acceptable.
>
> > Two things, no scratch that, three things . . .
>
> Ahh the childish name calling again, it would be very ease to come
> back with something just as childish and juvenile but I choose to
> refrain, it is called choice, which it seems you have little of, but
> given the fact that you were abused and can't help it, I forgive you.
>
>

No, not childish name calling. You really are a moron. By definition.


>
> > 1) You're a moron.
>
> The real shame is you weren't among those statistic's, maybe then
> you'll find your peace.
> You can not apply that logic to murder and advertising for they are
> very different contexts and subjects, Oh shit I forgot, forgive me,
> you don't have much in the way of choice do you, so you have to apply
> any logic to just about anything instead of giving it a bit of
> thought.
>
>
>
> > 2) Thousands of people are murdered every year in the US, so by
> > applying your logic, murder is now acceptable.
>
> Here again is something called choice, you do know you don't have to
> read it and can just skip it don't you? That would be far simpler and
> you then wouldn't be so annoyed, or do you get off on being annoyed?
> Once again you demonstrate the personality of an abuse child instead
> of using logic to just pass it by.

Spam is more than just an annoyance. It is a drain on system
resources. That's a fact.

Just like Vizzini is a liar.

Just like you are a moron.

Facts.



>
>
>
> > 3) You insist on making this about SPAM. That's just an annoying
> > subset of all that's wrong with the Vizzini Circus and the clowns
> > within. The POINT here is that Vizzini LIED while promoting (spamming)
> > his crap here in this venue.
>
> I have the link but I made you a deal, you didn't follow through with
> your end of the deal, how hard would it have been to love your child
> and love your wife with the deal I laid out, you just can't do that
> because it goes against your abused nature, �And your continued
> hostility only shows the anger which is inside you.
>
>

No link, no proof. Noted.




>
> > Is that link that you said you had that disproves that fact shoved so
> > far up your ass that you haven't found it yet?
>
> � � � � � � � � �Tim

HC

On Feb 26, 10:34�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 7:33 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry dude the the testimonies are proof, anecdotal proof but proof
> none the less.

Most likely fabricated.



> Yet you can not dispute it and since you can not dispute it, you say
> the burden if proof is on Tom, but all the while he has proved it, but
> all you can do is whine, bitch and complain.
> While people are moving on with their lives while you sit, whine and
> complain.
> What does it really say about you when a simple post can get you all
> upset?
> You do know the simple thing would be just not to read it, but then
> again, you really can't help yourself now can you? Care to explain why
> you can't? What happens in your brain which makes you read and then
> reply with stupid replies? You do know you can't help it don't you, no
> matter how hard you try you have to come read, then whine.
>
> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �� � � � � � � � � � � � � �Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> > At any rate, it's not for anyone else to dispute your claims, it's up
> > to you to prove them.
>
> > -jcr- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

HC

>
> > 2) Thousands of people are murdered every year in the US, so by
> > applying your logic, murder is now acceptable.

> The real shame is you weren't among those statistic's


Wow. You think it's a shame that I haven't been murdered because I
disagree with you on a point of fact.

Ummmm . . . . 3D mind at work?

Vizzini, what gives man . . . no seriously, how in the hell do you
stand by this guy? I mean everything to the side for a minute, do you
have any idea what a clown you look like when your subject loses
complete control and mouths off like that?

I mean how could you have or why would you want to program his mind
like that, so as to make him want to see those that disagree with
him . . . murdered? Does that not reek of Ray Gordon? I mean, when he
started calling me a child molestor -- because I disagree with him and
have a kid -- I figured it was going to be an isolated incident, but
it seems the more I bash his skull in with my NON 3D mind, the more he
embarasses YOU and YOUR 3D mind.

Thoughts?

Comments?



Buehler?

Krus T. Olfard

HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in news:09b3249e-a88d-4bd4-8b00-
c8df651a64be@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> Here again is something called choice, you do know you don't have to
> read it and can just skip it don't you?

So in your demented 3d bullshit world view everyone should just ignore
the FACT that tommy has been shown to lie in his advertising?
I enjoy calling liars on their lies.
you keep claiming you have a link to proof that tommy did not lie but you
NEVER POST THAT LINK! Thus it is obvious that you are lying also.

As you have been told numerous times - if you want the flames and
laughter to stop then stop posting lies.
Can't get much more simple than that.

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

Krus T. Olfard

HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in news:3f3c68e7-6660-475e-92e3-
2688874537af@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> Sorry dude the the testimonies are proof, anecdotal proof but proof
> none the less.
> Yet you can not dispute it and since you can not dispute it, you say
> the burden if proof is on Tom, but all the while he has proved it, but
> all you can do is whine, bitch and complain.
> While people are moving on with their lives while you sit, whine and
> complain.
> What does it really say about you when a simple post can get you all
> upset?
> You do know the simple thing would be just not to read it, but then
> again, you really can't help yourself now can you? Care to explain why
> you can't? What happens in your brain which makes you read and then
> reply with stupid replies? You do know you can't help it don't you, no
> matter how hard you try you have to come read, then whine.
>
> Tim

If anyone wants a prime example of how the 3d bullshit can warp a
personality just read the above quote.
It could not have been written by anyone but someone with a warped
personality.

Pathetic. Quite hilarious but pathetic...

Sorry, HC, I know that I've intruded on your territory by laughing at the
tard but I really felt he needed it.

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

Odious

"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:1K-dnUiRRaux2VnanZ2dnUVZ_qWtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> Interesting that no one can dispute the RESULTS that people have been able
> to get with our products.

Nope nobody seems to have much of a problem admitting that things like
anchoring, state elicitation, visualization, and tonality can be very
effective tools in change work.

What people take issue with are the bogus claims you make about the
scientific research and support for your products as well as the spam you
post to promote it that insists that anchoring, visualization, tonality, and
state elicitation don't work in any product other than what you're selling.

Yet whenever you or timmy are asked to explain any specific functional
differences between these components when you are selling them in your
product line and theses components when they are sold by someone else and
you insist the suddenly don't work.... you can't.

Odious

"HellBwat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:52d3cfa1-80c5-4fdc-9f42-0581f2d3cbc5@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 26, 12:54 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Tell that to the thousands of people who spam ngs with advertising,
> why would they do it if it didn't work, at least to some degree?

Cite an example of usenet spam that has worked to boost sales.... can you
cite even one?

As yet, Tom has been unwilling or unable to state that his usenet spam has
resulted in an increase in his sales.

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-26 19:34:36 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 26, 7:33 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry dude the the testimonies are proof, anecdotal proof but proof
> none the less.

Wishing doesn't make it so, sunshine.

> What does it really say about you when a simple post can get you all
> upset?

Who's upset?

-jcr

Paul Knight

Having sat through most of Tom's 3D Mind seminar at Hypnoticon earlier
this month I have some opinions about his method. First, I have not
completed his entire training. What I saw was just a taste, but I think
it gave me a good idea of his approach and process. Also, I was called
away by an emergency during the last 15 minutes of the seminar so I did
not learn the details of how the approach is instilled within the
client. I talked to Tom after the seminar and received enough
information to satisfy me that the final step is pretty much as
effective as the rest of the process.

I have no comments on who stole what ideas from whom. I really don't
care. Tom's 3D mind owes as much of it's pedigree to Albert Ellis and
his Cognitive Behavioral Therapy as it does to NLP. It is a logical
outgrowth of what is around right now. Not knowing more, I think it is
sufficiently original to stand as its own unique therapeutic method.

As for 3D Mind: I think it is valid and effective tool for change. There
are similarities with standard NLP approaches, CBT and good ol' Gestalt
and parts therapy. I disagree with Tom's theory about why 3D mind works.
I think Tom has a misunderstanding of how the mind works and he has
relied too much on Ken's work. However understanding how something like
this works is not critical to success. You don't have to understand how
an internal combustion engine works to drive a car.

Positives: One of the major benefits of 3D mind is how it cuts through
the garbage that most therapy wades through. 3D mind is not the only
therapy that does this, but the fact that it does is it's biggest
positive. Properly applied, a practitioner of 3D mind will get results
very quickly and effectively. On this count, the approach is closer to
CBT than NLP. NLP, in general, gets fast results. But the results are
more due to the therapist's interventions than the client's discoveries.
3D mind tends to help the client make discoveries. I consider this a
significant positive over standard NLP. It also does not require
learning all the tricks of NLP (mirroring, double binds, etc.). It
relies heavily on anchoring, but in a very simple and effective way. I
beleive that a significant number of clients will get the results that
Tom claims in his ads.

Negatives: I generally disagree with Tom when he says the past does not
matter when using 3D mind. While I do agree that many therapies focus
too much on past events and initial causes, the past cannot be
completely ignored. During the seminar Tom suggested that the past is
irrelevant. This may just be the short answer for a short seminar, but
ignoring the past will often lead to recidivism. During the short
seminar, there were no techniques introduced to deal with past issues.
Understandably, there were also no advanced techniques introduced for
when the basic approach did not work. Until I learn the advanced
techniques, I cannot fully rate 3D mind. However, based on comments Tom
made, I think 3D mind is incomplete for not dealing with past issues.

Also, while 3D mind should work well for everyday issues, I would
hesitate to use it on major issues like anxiety, anger management or
clinical depression. In those areas hypnotherapy and CBT would probably
be more effective than 3D mind. 3D mind is too simplistic and too
limited for major therapy. I do not doubt that Tom or Kim could get good
results, but students, especially those just starting out, would have
significant problems. However, it should be noted that most problems
people have are relatively minor and many can be dealt with using 3D
mind. As an analogy, most people who go to a doctor do not need to be
hospitalized. Within limits, 3D mind should work well.

Overall: 3D mind seems to be a pared down version of NLP combined with a
healthy dose of CBT. As another tool in your arsenal, it is worthwhile.
As a single approach for everything, I would be very hesitant. There are
definite limits to the effectiveness of 3D mind. However, if a client
falls within the purview of 3D mind's applicability, 3D mind would be a
very fast and effective form of therapy. The fuller study of NLP,
hypnotherapy, CBT and general psychology will make someone a much better
therapist than someone who focuses exclusively on 3D mind.

Some of the things Tom teaches in 3D mind are very useful for any
therapist to learn, such as quickly cutting to the heart of the problem.
Every therapy should teach this, but too few do.

On a personal note, I also understand why Tom has a negative reputation
around here. He has a naturally abrassive personality. If you do not
understand where he is coming from, you will misunderstand his
statements as offensive. They are just Tom being Tom. You have to get
past that to get at the root of what he is saying. Most people won't
make the effort to try. Kim, on the other hand, is a wonderful, sane
counter to Tom. In my personal opinion, Tom is a faster and more
creative thinker than Kim. (Which is not to suggest that Kim is slow or
stupid. Tom just recognizes thing faster and catches subtle nuances more
quickly.) Kim, on the other hand, can express what Tom is trying to say
in a far more clear and articulate way than Tom. She has a genuine gift
for picking up on Tom's ramblings and refining them. Tom is the engine,
putting out tremendous energy. Kim is the regulator, directing that
energy in a meaningful way. If those two ever break up, neither will be
as successful as they are together.

Rating: 2.5 stars out of 4

HellBwat

On Feb 26, 11:06 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 10:17�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 3:36 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Geez, so every one shits everyday and because everyone shits, that
> > doesn't make it acceptable to you, so you don't shit which leads to
> > the fact that you are full of shit.

I was just using the same logic as you were.
>
> Good lord.
>

A rose by any other name is still yet but a rose, so childish name
calling by any other name is still yet but childish name calling, you
just don't get to see that though do you?
>
> No, not childish name calling. You really are a moron. By definition.
But if you apply your logic, one to murder and one to advertising that
they can be compared as basically the same thing, then who by
definition is a moron?
>
> > > 1) You're a moron.
>
No, that is your logic, so by definition who is a moron?
>
> > > 2) Thousands of people are murdered every year in the US, so by
> > > applying your logic, murder is now acceptable.
>
> > Here again is something called choice, you do know you don't have to
> > read it and can just skip it don't you? That would be far simpler and
> > you then wouldn't be so annoyed, or do you get off on being annoyed?
> > Once again you demonstrate the personality of an abuse child instead
> > of using logic to just pass it by.

and his posts amount to one every or two every few weeks and yours is
about what, five a day, So then who is draining more systems
resources, so by definition who is a moron. when your posts are taking
up system resources 10 to 20 times more than his. Second how is his
posts taking up system resources?
This is not only a poor excuse to bash someone you hate, but it also
makes no logical sense.
I will repeat this as I have many times in the past, too those who by
definition are morons, you can simply choose not to read his or mine
or anyones posts, so are you incapable of choosing? Or do you get off
by doing this, you really exhibit someone who has been severally
abused, for now this gives you a sense of power, in your own little
mind.
>
> Spam is more than just an annoyance. It is a drain on system
> resources. That's a fact.

And you are also a liar, everyone in their life has told lies, if you
lay claim that you have never lied then, you are a liar. So isn't this
hypocritical, one liar calling someone else a liar?

So says the man who lies.
>
> Just like Vizzini is a liar.

So says the man who using his delusional logic, is a moron by
definition.
>
> Just like you are a moron.

Sure they are, you just go on believing that.
>
> Facts.

Tim

HellBwat

On Feb 26, 11:07 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:

And this is the very reason why you can never understand anything, no
matter how much proof is presented to you, you automatically reject
anything which disproves your statements.

Anecdotal proof is proof, yet you lie and say they were most likely
fabricated, can you prove that? Of course you can't be you and the
rest of the crew take every and any opportunity you can to display
your obvious hatred towards Tom, I can understand your reasons because
you being abused yourself you want to spread your hate and loathing
you have for yourself on to others.

Have a nice day

Tim

>
> > Sorry dude the the testimonies are proof, anecdotal proof but proof
> > none the less.
>
> Most likely fabricated.
>

fakeobama@gmail.com

> Anecdotal proof is proof, yet you lie and say they were most likely
> fabricated, can you prove that?

Hey, dimbulb. The burden of proof is on the advertiser to back up his
claims, not the consumer to "disprove" the advertiser's claims. You
really are a merely high-functioning imbecile for not being able to
grasp so simple of a concept.

And anecdotal evidence is worthless if it just fabricated out of thin
air as are Tom's.

fakeobama@gmail.com

> Anecdotal proof is proof, yet you lie and say they were most likely
> fabricated, can you prove that?

Hey, dimbulb. The burden of proof is on the advertiser to back up his
claims, not the consumer to "disprove" the advertiser's claims. You
really are a merely high-functioning imbecile for not being able to
grasp so simple of a concept.
And anecdotal evidence is worthless if it just fabricated out of thin
air as are Tom's.

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 1:02 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:

Wow, he can't even take a joke even when it is off color, so he again
points to the 3D Mind as the cause, yet one more lie with out him
giving any kind of thought to it.
>
> Wow. You think it's a shame that I haven't been murdered because I
> disagree with you on a point of fact.
>
> Ummmm . . . . 3D mind at work?

You are canon fodder, nothing else.
>
> Vizzini, what gives man . . . no seriously, how in the hell do you
> stand by this guy? I mean everything to the side for a minute, do you
> have any idea what a clown you look like when your subject loses
> complete control and mouths off like that?

Wow, here he is bad mouthing me about a murder joke when he is bashing
my head in, even in figurative terms that is still pretty radically
violent behavior, the abuser once again rising up.
Ok, here is how this person thinks, He thinks I called him a child
molester, now your always squawking about proof, provide the link
where I said that. I know you and your crew likes to turn and twist
everything and do anything to make your case, but what is really sad
is you have no idea how sad you really are.
I was really pointing out to you how your abusive behavior is a result
of your abuse you suffered at the hands of your father, which you
never defended by the way.

So then this is the end of the month and I have succeed in proving two
things.
One without Tom's initial posts, these ng's would be dead, except for
the sex ads or god ad's or the ad's posted from those living in
another dimension.

Second, I did no name calling, even wrote to you will some respect,
but you and the other dee dee dee's decided to respond with your same
moronic, one line, retarded anger bullshit

After I once said that if people are civil to me I am civil to them,
odorus replied, so you let others control your actions.

So then, if I have only two actions, civil or uncivil, that is twice
as many reactions as the moron crew has.
For they can only act one way, with hate which only proves their true
motives towards Tom.

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 3:02 am, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:

So then what you are actually saying this that Tom controls you, every
time he posts you HAVE TO RESPOND, because you can not control
yourself enough to just pass it by.

There fore making you out to be weak minded and a moron. I do have
those links but I am not going to give them to you unless you give me
something in return, that is how it works in the real world, and not
in your fantasy internet world of make believe. So what are you
offering? Make me an offer I can't refuse or go fuck yourself.

And I have told you, if you want the flame wars to stop, just quit
reading his posts or be a man and just walk away, but you simply
can't.. It is hard wired into your brain so your behavior is not going
to stop, and you don't know how to stop it if you wanted too.


UnkaH

>
>
> So in your demented 3d bullshit world view everyone should just ignore
> the FACT that tommy has been shown to lie in his advertising?
> I enjoy calling liars on their lies.
> you keep claiming you have a link to proof that tommy did not lie but you
> NEVER POST THAT LINK! Thus it is obvious that you are lying also.
>
> As you have been told numerous times - if you want the flames and
> laughter to stop then stop posting lies.
> Can't get much more simple than that.
>
> --

HC

On Feb 27, 2:53�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 1:02 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Vizzini, what gives man . . . no seriously, how in the hell do you
> > stand by this guy? I mean everything to the side for a minute, do you
> > have any idea what a clown you look like when your subject loses
> > complete control and mouths off like that?
>
>
> Wow, <snip>

Is your name Vizzini? Sure looks that way, Timtom. Heh . . .

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 5:56 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:

Wow, anecdotal proof is some how magically turned into wishing. Are
you the head retard?

> > Sorry dude the the testimonies are proof, anecdotal proof but proof
> > none the less.
>
> Wishing doesn't make it so, sunshine.
>
>

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 12:10 pm, Paul Knight <knig...@execpc.com> wrote:


The big question though is, are Tom and I the same person or are we
different people.
Inquiring minds want to know, you saw my name in front of my e-mail
address, and I showed you my drivers license. Now are we the same
person?


Tim

Alex

> On Feb 26, 10:34?pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Sorry dude the the testimonies are proof, anecdotal proof but proof
>> none the less.

Unsubstantiated allegations are only proof in the diseased minds of Gordon
Roy Parker and the editors of the New York Times.

Alex

in article 13sb6bdk1fdo511@corp.supernews.com, Paul Knight at
knightp@execpc.com wrote on 2/27/08 12:10 PM:

> Some of the things Tom teaches in 3D mind are very useful for any
> therapist to learn, such as quickly cutting to the heart of the problem.
> Every therapy should teach this, but too few do.

As I am not a trained therapist, I couldn't tell you if it's a lack of
training or simply the desire to name a boat after your neurotic patients
that prevents therapists from cutting quickly to the heart of the problem.

HC

On Feb 27, 2:53�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 1:02 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Wow, he can't even take a joke

You called me a child abuser that deserves to be murdered.

All because I had the audacity to disagree with you.

3D mind that.

Paul Knight

> As I am not a trained therapist, I couldn't tell you if it's a lack of
> training or simply the desire to name a boat after your neurotic patients
> that prevents therapists from cutting quickly to the heart of the problem.

Actually it's the dull knives we use. <g>

Paul Knight

> The big question though is, are Tom and I the same person or are we
> different people.
> Inquiring minds want to know, you saw my name in front of my e-mail
> address, and I showed you my drivers license. Now are we the same
> person?

I already answered that one about a month ago. You are two different
people. However, as expected, some people then noted that I was conned
by Tom. Sigh.

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-27 12:06:20 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 27, 5:56 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> Wow, anecdotal proof is some how magically turned into wishing. Are
> you the head retard?

An anecdote reported by the person making a claim isn't proof, even
though you wish it was.

Any chance of this "3d mind" business improving your reading comprehension?

-jcr

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-27 12:13:25 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 27, 12:10 pm, Paul Knight <knig...@execpc.com> wrote:
>
>
> The big question though is, are Tom and I the same person or are we
> different people.

Who cares? Sock puppet or stooge, you're just as useless.

-jcr

Krus T. Olfard

HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in news:336d5c7c-b42c-4b84-9660-
80f298a309c3@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

(proper post order restored)
>>
>> Just like Vizzini is a liar.
> And you are also a liar, everyone in their life has told lies, if you
> lay claim that you have never lied then, you are a liar. So isn't this
> hypocritical, one liar calling someone else a liar?
>
> So says the man who lies.

>

Don't you just love this 3d bullshit logic - since everyone has lied at
some point in their lives it is quite acceptable for tommy/timmy/tard to
lie in his/their advertising.

Just think - all you readers can run your lives by the same kind of
logic, just buy timmy/tommy/tard's 3d bullshit and use it to warp your
world view the same way that timmy/tommy/tard has.

--

I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.
The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

Krus T. Olfard

HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d765b8f6-76ed-4302-83cb-
a7559a87acdc@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> So then what you are actually saying this that Tom controls you, every
> time he posts you HAVE TO RESPOND, because you can not control
> yourself enough to just pass it by.

And here I thought I was responding to timmy. I guess it really is
timmy/tommy/tard as one individual, just warped into multiple
personalities by the 3d bullshit that timmy/tommy/tard lies about in
order to sell.

So sad. Fuckin' hilarious but still sad.

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

Krus T. Olfard

HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9510ddd7-d740-4ce9-a3b9-
f83659eba65d@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> Anecdotal proof is proof

Only in the warped world view of you 3d bullshitters.

I quite truthfully believe that timmy/tommy/tard has written those
'testimonials' that timmy/tommy/tard posts here.

I do not for one moment believe that they were written by any user of
timmy/tommy/tard's 3d bullshit since the only example(s) I've seen of
user(s) of timmy/tommy/tard's 3d bullshit is timmy/tommy/tard and t/he/y
quite obviously is/are willing to say ANYTHING.

Pathetic and stupid but quite funny!

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

Odious

"HellBwat" <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8597f29-0240-4147-bc5d-f0d3792eafde@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 27, 1:02 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow. You think it's a shame that I haven't been murdered because I
>> disagree with you on a point of fact.
>>
>> Ummmm . . . . 3D mind at work?
>
> You are canon fodder, nothing else.

And why does Tom market to "canon fodder"?

Odious

"Paul Knight" <knightp@execpc.com> wrote in message
news:13sb6bdk1fdo511@corp.supernews.com...
> Having sat through most of Tom's 3D Mind seminar at Hypnoticon earlier
> this month I have some opinions about his method. First, I have not
> completed his entire training. What I saw was just a taste, but I think it
> gave me a good idea of his approach and process. Also, I was called away
> by an emergency during the last 15 minutes of the seminar so I did not
> learn the details of how the approach is instilled within the client. I
> talked to Tom after the seminar and received enough information to satisfy
> me that the final step is pretty much as effective as the rest of the
> process.
>
> I have no comments on who stole what ideas from whom. I really don't care.
> Tom's 3D mind owes as much of it's pedigree to Albert Ellis and his
> Cognitive Behavioral Therapy as it does to NLP. It is a logical outgrowth
> of what is around right now. Not knowing more, I think it is sufficiently
> original to stand as its own unique therapeutic method.

Where's the difference? Neither Tom nor Tim have been willing or able to
answer the simple question... what's the difference.

The fact that Tom's work is based on what's already been out there is
clear... what I don't see is the vast differences between what Tom is doing
vs. what everybody else is doing or has done. It seems Tom has simply
trimmed the fat from some other approaches and assembled a Cliff Note
version focused on a few specific areas. Everything else is just sales
pitch and semantics.

Yet they routinely claim that nothing else works and their stuff is the end
all be all of change work....


> As for 3D Mind: I think it is valid and effective tool for change.

Of course, it's built from valid and effective tools for change.

>There are similarities with standard NLP approaches, CBT and good ol'
>Gestalt and parts therapy. I disagree with Tom's theory about why 3D mind
>works. I think Tom has a misunderstanding of how the mind works and he has
>relied too much on Ken's work. However understanding how something like
>this works is not critical to success. You don't have to understand how an
>internal combustion engine works to drive a car.

Exactly... pragmatic functionality doesn't require in-depth knowledge of
process. My issue with Tom's products isn't if they work or not... because
I know they work, because they are built on products, methods, and
techniques that work and have worked for a long time.

I take issue with tom and his spam troll pets crying that NLP and therapy do
not work.... and then claiming that Tom's products which are based on NLP,
CBT, and other change work tools, are the most effective products ever
produced. And when asked about what the functional difference is between
say, Tom's use of positive anchored emotional states to nullify negative
ones and Tony Robbins' work on using positive anchors to collapse negative
ones... all they can say is everything that isn't sold by Tom is bad, and
what Tom sells is good.


>
> Positives: One of the major benefits of 3D mind is how it cuts through the
> garbage that most therapy wades through. 3D mind is not the only therapy
> that does this, but the fact that it does is it's biggest positive.

I agree, where Tom's products do seem to have value is in the act of
streamlining what's out there. But I still maintain that sharpening a blade
does not mean you've invented a new sword. There is certainly value in
refinement and sharpened focus... however the substance doesn't seem to even
come close to the hype and BS tom and his crew use to try and sell his
products while bashing everything else as useless and non-functional.

>Properly applied, a practitioner of 3D mind will get results very quickly
>and effectively. On this count, the approach is closer to CBT than NLP.
>NLP, in general, gets fast results. But the results are more due to the
>therapist's interventions than the client's discoveries. 3D mind tends to
>help the client make discoveries. I consider this a significant positive
>over standard NLP.

Would you say that difference is more of a shift in focus that still uses
the same basic methods and techniques from NLP.... or a departure from NLP
entirely? From what I've seen and heard, Tom's work and NLP are like a 1st
aid kit and an ambulance.... in a lot of basic situations, that first aid
kit is going to be way more effective than an ambulance because in most
situations that ambulance is way more than what is needed to address the
problem.. But in the really bad situations, the first aid kit alone just
isn't going to cut it. It is an issue of scale, refinement, and focus...
but all still using basically similar tools. The first aid kit is a scaled
down and refined version of the ambulance focused on smaller scale injuries,
portability, and immediacy of access.


> It also does not require learning all the tricks of NLP (mirroring, double
> binds, etc.). It relies heavily on anchoring, but in a very simple and
> effective way. I beleive that a significant number of clients will get the
> results that Tom claims in his ads.
>
> Negatives: I generally disagree with Tom when he says the past does not
> matter when using 3D mind. While I do agree that many therapies focus too
> much on past events and initial causes, the past cannot be completely
> ignored. During the seminar Tom suggested that the past is irrelevant.
> This may just be the short answer for a short seminar, but ignoring the
> past will often lead to recidivism. During the short seminar, there were
> no techniques introduced to deal with past issues. Understandably, there
> were also no advanced techniques introduced for when the basic approach
> did not work. Until I learn the advanced techniques, I cannot fully rate
> 3D mind. However, based on comments Tom made, I think 3D mind is
> incomplete for not dealing with past issues.
>
> Also, while 3D mind should work well for everyday issues, I would hesitate
> to use it on major issues like anxiety, anger management or clinical
> depression. In those areas hypnotherapy and CBT would probably be more
> effective than 3D mind. 3D mind is too simplistic and too limited for
> major therapy. I do not doubt that Tom or Kim could get good results, but
> students, especially those just starting out, would have significant
> problems. However, it should be noted that most problems people have are
> relatively minor and many can be dealt with using 3D mind. As an analogy,
> most people who go to a doctor do not need to be hospitalized. Within
> limits, 3D mind should work well.
>
> Overall: 3D mind seems to be a pared down version of NLP combined with a
> healthy dose of CBT.

Exactly....


> As another tool in your arsenal, it is worthwhile. As a single approach
> for everything, I would be very hesitant. There are definite limits to the
> effectiveness of 3D mind. However, if a client falls within the purview of
> 3D mind's applicability, 3D mind would be a very fast and effective form
> of therapy. The fuller study of NLP, hypnotherapy, CBT and general
> psychology will make someone a much better therapist than someone who
> focuses exclusively on 3D mind.
>
> Some of the things Tom teaches in 3D mind are very useful for any
> therapist to learn, such as quickly cutting to the heart of the problem.
> Every therapy should teach this, but too few do.
>
> On a personal note, I also understand why Tom has a negative reputation
> around here. He has a naturally abrassive personality. If you do not
> understand where he is coming from, you will misunderstand his statements
> as offensive.

Because Tom wouldn't know anything about using ambiguities.

>They are just Tom being Tom.

And Tom is an asshole, especialy to anyone who disagrees with him. Don't
get me wrong.... some of my good friends are assholes, but they understand
that when they act like assholes, they tend to provoke negative reactions in
social interactions. Interactions like say.... advertising your products.
Not exactly the best or most productive arena for the abrasive asshole
behavior.


>You have to get past that to get at the root of what he is saying. Most
>people won't make the effort to try.

Would you stick your hand in a bucket of shit to get to 3 bucks in pocket
change at the bottom?

Now what if instead of pocket change it was a 3millon dollar diamond?

Effort is motivated by the reward.

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 4:06 pm, Alex <akaufm...@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote:

Well they seem to work for you morons, so with that same logic, you
must either have a diseased mind or your a editor for the NY times.
>
> Unsubstantiated allegations are only proof in the diseased minds of Gordon
> Roy Parker and the editors of the New York Times.

HellBwat

>
> > On Feb 27, 1:02 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:

So then your admitting your a thin skinned son of a bitch who abuses
children and has a tendency towards suicide. Oh poor baby, can't take
the heat then get the fuck out of the kitchen you dufus moron.
Here is the funniest thing of all, you never once denied any of it.
Ouch, now that has got to hurt.

UnKaH
>
> > Wow, he can't even take a joke
>
> You called me a child abuser that deserves to be murdered.
>
> All because I had the audacity to disagree with you.
>
> 3D mind that.

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 6:01 pm, Paul Knight <knig...@execpc.com> wrote:

Actually Tom did con you, first he got you drunk, then when you were
seeing double, he dirtied one of your eyeglass lens and you thought
you were seeing two people. The truth is out.


Tim



> > The big question though is, are Tom and I the same person or are we
> > different people.
> > Inquiring minds want to know, you saw my name in front of my e-mail
> > address, and I showed you my drivers license. Now are we the same
> > person?
>
> I already answered that one about a month ago. You are two different
> people. However, as expected, some people then noted that I was conned
> by Tom. Sigh.

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 6:06 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:
> On 2008-02-27 12:06:20 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> said:


So true but yet when a lot of people are making the same claim, that
is something to pay attention too, but of course you won't, your part
of the crew who's intent is based on hatred, I am sorry your so
shallow, but then again, I really don't care.


UnkaH
>
> An anecdote reported by the person making a claim isn't proof, even
> though you wish it was.
>
> Any chance of this "3d mind" business improving your reading comprehension?
>
> -jcr

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 6:07 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:

Said the sock puppet, of the crew of mental masterbaters. I be a good
sock puppet causin me to move and make captain of our team, good ting
they don't know what a poser I really am, if they did day would
promoto me to teams admirals, den I be a big shots and order dem
morons around and dey listen cause I be the HMFIC ( head mother fucker
in charge )

great Job maynard

UnKaH
>
> Who cares? Sock puppet or stooge, you're just as useless.
>
> -jcr

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 6:34 pm, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:


No, once again you missed the point you fucken moron. Here is the
simplified version so the moron crew can better understand it.

One, you called Tom a Liar, but that is so hypocritical since you lie.
Yes you and the other moron crew has lied and lied and lied again, so
you are all liars, then you have the nerve to call someone else a
liar.
That is down right hypocritical. But see this is actually how moronic
you are, I made this statement which any one can understand but you
turn it into, everyone lies so it is acceptable to lie in his
advertising.
I mean really, are you that fucking stupid that you just can't get
that? Come on dude, your not that retarded. Hows the photography
going? Send me a picture when you get one done, I would really like to
see your work.

UnKaH
>
>

>
> Don't you just love this 3d bullshit logic - since everyone has lied at
> some point in their lives it is quite acceptable for tommy/timmy/tard to
> lie in his/their advertising.
>
> Just think - all you readers can run your lives by the same kind of
> logic, just buy timmy/tommy/tard's 3d bullshit and use it to warp your
> world view the same way that timmy/tommy/tard has.
>
> --

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 6:36 pm, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:

Well since you are so sure, that we are one and the same how about
putting some money where your mouth is.?? I know you don't make much
working at Burger King but I am sure you can talk the co-workers into
pitching in a few bucks.

Tim

> And here I thought I was responding to timmy. I guess it really is
> timmy/tommy/tard as one individual, just warped into multiple
> personalities by the 3d bullshit that timmy/tommy/tard lies about in
> order to sell.
>
> So sad. Fuckin' hilarious but still sad.
>
> --

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 6:41 pm, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:
> HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9510ddd7-d740-4ce9-a3b9-


That is only because you choose to remain ignorant like the rest of
your pitiful crew.
Small wonder why you'll be working at burger king the rest of your
life, dude the lsd your taking is not expanding your mind, it is just
keeping you stuck. Smoke crack instead.

UnKaH
>
> > Anecdotal proof is proof
>
> Only in the warped world view of you 3d bullshitters.
>
> I quite truthfully believe that timmy/tommy/tard has written those
> 'testimonials' that timmy/tommy/tard posts here.
>
> I do not for one moment believe that they were written by any user of
> timmy/tommy/tard's 3d bullshit since the only example(s) I've seen of
> user(s) of timmy/tommy/tard's 3d bullshit is timmy/tommy/tard and t/he/y
> quite obviously is/are willing to say ANYTHING.
>
> Pathetic and stupid but quite funny!
>
> --

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 9:46 pm, "Odious" <Odi...@cox.net.nospam> wrote:

For the one millionth time, he is not marketing to you, you have an
agenda to aim for below average the rest of your life, he should write
posts which start with, to everyone but the dumb fucking morons of the
dee dee dee crew. Only then will you get it, it is not meant for you.


UnKaH

>
> > You are canon fodder, nothing else.
>
> And why does Tom market to "canon fodder"?

HellBwat

On Feb 27, 11:30 pm, "Odious" <Odi...@cox.net.nospam> wrote:

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha this is so absolutely funny. Here are a
couple of links showing the developer of nlp, richard bandler fail so
miserably at helping someone. Yet he is the king of nlp and his skills
are unmatched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s941m...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RczTT...eature=related


>
> Of course, it's built from valid and effective tools for change.
>

yeah dude keep on spewing that nlp crap, I always thought you were a
moron but your moronicness knows no bounds. nlp is crap and richard
proves that fact nicely.
>
> Exactly... pragmatic functionality doesn't require in-depth knowledge of
> process. My issue with Tom's products isn't if they work or not... because
> I know they work, because they are built on products, methods, and
> techniques that work and have worked for a long time.

ahhh shut the fuck you whinny bitch...blah blah blah, whine whine
whine. You truly are a moron if you believe in richard and tony.

Ok stupid let me point this out to your stupid ass.

One, nlp sucks and richard proved it, case closed
Two collapsing anchors only work with minor issues
Three CBT takes a minimum of 11 sessions to clear up the problem, 3D
Mind two at the most and that is extreme cases or they missed a step.
Most of the time only one session.
Four. 3D Mind is not based on cbt, or nlp or anything else like
that, when he first developed it, it was flawed until Dr. Ken showed
him how the brain works, then based on that, he and Kim developed it
into a sound model.

Paul you were way off when you said it was based on all those and as
you said, you really didn't get a good picture of what it really was
all about, since one, they only had 2 hours to present and two you had
to leave.

And this fucking moron odorus knows nothing about the 3D Mind, he has
never seen the product nor has he seen it demonstrated. He presents
himself as an authority on 3D Mind when he knows nothing about it.

Oh you can't agree to nothing you dumb ass since you don't know
anything, your just a pathetic wannabe.
>
> I agree, where Tom's products do seem to have value is in the act of
> streamlining what's out there. But I still maintain that sharpening a blade
> does not mean you've invented a new sword. There is certainly value in
> refinement and sharpened focus... however the substance doesn't seem to even
> come close to the hype and BS tom and his crew use to try and sell his
> products while bashing everything else as useless and non-functional.
>
Well there you have it, from the mouth of the moron himself, From what
I have seen and heard, first you have never seen the 3D Mind so what
you have seen is nothing but your fucked up imagination running wild,
and you heard, heard from who your fucked up guru ross baby?
>
> Would you say that difference is more of a shift in focus that still uses
> the same basic methods and techniques from NLP.... or a departure from NLP
> entirely? From what I've seen and heard, Tom's work and NLP are like a 1st
> aid kit and an ambulance.... in a lot of basic situations, that first aid
> kit is going to be way more effective than an ambulance because in most
> situations that ambulance is way more than what is needed to address the
> problem.. But in the really bad situations, the first aid kit alone just
> isn't going to cut it. It is an issue of scale, refinement, and focus...
> but all still using basically similar tools. The first aid kit is a scaled
> down and refined version of the ambulance focused on smaller scale injuries,
> portability, and immediacy of access.
>
>
Hahahaha agreeing and yet not knowing anything about the product,
isn't that just rich.
>
>
> Exactly....
>
>
Well actually he does but he doesn't use it the same way you use it,
your version is called double talk, or spewing bullshit.
>
> Because Tom wouldn't know anything about using ambiguities.
>
and your a fucking moron, with a clear cut agenda, ross hates Tom, so
you hate Tom and you think your master is going to give you points or
something for doing what your doing, yet your tongue has dried out
waiting for the enlightenment cum to come forth.
>
> And Tom is an asshole, especialy to anyone who disagrees with him. Don't
> get me wrong.... some of my good friends are assholes, but they understand
> that when they act like assholes, they tend to provoke negative reactions in
> social interactions. Interactions like say.... advertising your products.
> Not exactly the best or most productive arena for the abrasive asshole
> behavior.
>
would you stick your dick in a light socket to curl your hair? So if
effort is motivated by reward, wouldn't it be nice to get a job and
move out of your mothers basement?
>
> Would you stick your hand in a bucket of shit to get to 3 bucks in pocket
> change at the bottom?
>
> Now what if instead of pocket change it was a 3millon dollar diamond?
>
> Effort is motivated by the reward.

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-27 23:14:50 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 27, 6:06 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2008-02-27 12:06:20 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
> So true but yet when a lot of people are making the same claim,

Show me some independent sources, since you claim they exist.

> your part
> of the crew who's intent is based on hatred,

Oh, don't be silly. You'll never be important enough to hate.

-jcr

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-27 23:19:48 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 27, 6:07 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> Said the sock puppet, of the crew of mental masterbaters. I be a good
> sock puppet causin me to move and make captain of our team, good ting
> they don't know what a poser I really am, if they did day would
> promoto me to teams admirals, den I be a big shots and order dem
> morons around and dey listen cause I be the HMFIC ( head mother fucker
> in charge )

Could you try having a literate person help you rewrite that? It
doesn't make sense as it is.

-jcr

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-28 00:05:38 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 27, 11:30 pm, "Odious" <Odi...@cox.net.nospam> wrote:
>
> Hahahahahahahahahahahaha this is so absolutely funny. Here are a
> couple of links showing the developer of nlp, richard bandler fail so
> miserably at helping someone.

Whether this Bandler person is a fake has no bearing on whether Vizini
is a fake.

You're starting to sound like the scientologits when they try to
deflect questions by ranting about psychiatry being evil.

-jcr

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-27 23:31:14 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 27, 6:41 pm, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:
>> HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9510ddd7-d740-4ce9-a3b9-
>
>
> That is only because you choose to remain ignorant like the rest of
> your pitiful crew.
> Small wonder why you'll be working at burger king the rest of your
> life, dude the lsd your taking is not expanding your mind, it is just
> keeping you stuck. Smoke crack instead.

Do you actually believe that what you wrote above supports your claims
in any way? Tom makes unsupported claims, people call him on it, and
you pop up and get snotty about it. Can you even grasp why this is
not helping your cause?

-jcr

HC

On Feb 28, 2:10�am, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 27, 1:02 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Wow, he can't even take a joke
>
> > You called me a child abuser that deserves to be murdered.
>
> > All because I had the audacity to disagree with you.
>
> > 3D mind that.

> So then your admitting your a thin skinned son of a bitch who abuses
> children and has a tendency towards suicide.

Uh, yeah, ok. I get it. 1 + 1 = 7.

Way to use that 3D mind! Good job, Master Vizzini must be REAL proud!
<snicker>

gnr

> Of course, it's built from valid and effective tools for change.

Odious,

Which effective tools does each step of the 3dmind correspond to ?
Care to share with us?

If you are actually educated enough to identify each and everyone of
them, I will then give you what exactly is unique to it.

Throughout your whole post you you imply that you know 3dmind is based
on other effective stuff. Now is the time for you to show all of us,
if you knew shit about the 3dmind all this time or not. Better yet,
you have the chance to show us if you know anything about changework
or not. The stage is yours

HC

Waiting for an answer since February 12.

Wanna bet Unkah Retard replies before GNR?


On Feb 12, 11:52 am, qwerty <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 12:20�pm, "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
> > "John" <67vnue6o@knwfv> wrote in message
>
> >news:shsep39s8t5ao5d4ucsmf39dp42efvo7lf@4ax.com.. .
>
> > > >Sorry your post is still asks no questions on the topic presented.
>
> > > I thought I had already asked a question, maybe you simply didn't feel
> > > comfortable answering like Nick Kemp often doesn't.
>
> > Or maybe it was again buried inside of a thread of flames that I don't read.
>
> Hey gnr, Vizzini lies again.
>
> Please share your counter to that. Thanks.
>
>

HC

On Feb 27, 6:01�pm, Paul Knight <knig...@execpc.com> wrote:
> > The big question though is, are Tom and I the same person or are we
> > different people.
> > Inquiring minds want to know, you saw my name in front of my e-mail
> > address, and I showed you my drivers license. Now are we the same
> > person?
>
> I already answered that one about a month ago. You are two different
> people. However, as expected, some people then noted that I was conned
> by Tom. Sigh.

Some.

MOST simply reminded you that some idiot standing next to Tom
*claiming* to be Unkah Retard doesn't prove a thing.

Unkah Retard said he showed you his driver's license. Did it say Unkah
Tim on it, and include his email address?

Now I realize that *you* firmly believe that they are two different
people -- and I respect your intelligence and am pretty much satisfied
on that point. But like a previous poster mentioned, really, what's
the difference? We *still* have a guy (Vizzini) refusing to
disassociate himself from Unkah -- a guy that now inisists that I'm a
child molestor and should be murdered for disagreeing with him. These
pople are supposed to be on the high road, Paul, I know you understand
the dynamic at work here with that. And you don't have to comment on
that point (unless you feel compelled, I'll gladly read it), as we all
know, including you, what that makes Vizzini look like.

gnr

On 28 Åžubat, 15:51, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
> Waiting for an answer since February 12.
>
> Wanna bet Unkah Retard replies before GNR?
>
> On Feb 12, 11:52 am, qwerty <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 23, 12:20�pm, "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com> wrote:
>
> > > "John" <67vnue6o@knwfv> wrote in message
>
> > >news:shsep39s8t5ao5d4ucsmf39dp42efvo7lf@4ax.com.. .
>
> > > > >Sorry your post is still asks no questions on the topic presented.
>
> > > > I thought I had already asked a question, maybe you simply didn't feel
> > > > comfortable answering like Nick Kemp often doesn't.
>
> > > Or maybe it was again buried inside of a thread of flames that I don'tread.
>
> > Hey gnr, Vizzini lies again.
>
> > Please share your counter to that. Thanks.

HC... Come on you arent this stupid.

Well... what if I believe he didnt lie? What should I have to give a
counter to then?


On the other hand, where is fakeobama's answer to my question? Please
let me know if he ever answers.

HC

On Feb 28, 9:07Â*am, gnr <gunerha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 Åžubat, 15:51, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Waiting for an answer since February 12.
>
> > Wanna bet Unkah Retard replies before GNR?
>
> > On Feb 12, 11:52 am, qwerty <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 23, 12:20�pm, "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com>wrote:
>
> > > > "John" <67vnue6o@knwfv> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:shsep39s8t5ao5d4ucsmf39dp42efvo7lf@4ax.com.. .
>
> > > > > >Sorry your post is still asks no questions on the topic presented..
>
> > > > > I thought I had already asked a question, maybe you simply didn't feel
> > > > > comfortable answering like Nick Kemp often doesn't.
>
> > > > Or maybe it was again buried inside of a thread of flames that I don't read.
>
> > > Hey gnr, Vizzini lies again.
>
> > > Please share your counter to that. Thanks.
>
> HC... Come on you arent this stupid.
>
> Well... what if I believe he didnt lie? What should I have to give a
> counter to then?
>
> On the other hand, where is fakeobama's answer to my question? Please
> let me know if he ever answers.

GNR, with all due respect, I asked for your counter because I believe
we both know there is no counter. In the post that I replied to,
Vizzini said he doesn't read flame threads. I can produce scores, if
not hundreds of posts that disprove his statement and you know it.

With regards to fakeobama, please take that up with him if you care
to, I don't control him, I just read him.

And not to be a wise ass or anything like that, rather quite
sincerely, your response that fake obama did the same thing that you
did thereby making you right because he did (or didnt do) what you say
he did (or didn't do) is the same argument Unkah Tim gives that
spamming (and murder, although murder was my projection from the
spamming, not his difinitive statement) is all good and cool --
because other people do it.

C'mon man, I *know* you're smarter than that . . . ;-)

Krus T. Olfard

John C. Randolph <jcr.nospam@nospam.mac.com> wrote in
news:2008022804471643658-jcrnospam@nospammaccom:

> On 2008-02-27 23:31:14 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:
>
>> On Feb 27, 6:41 pm, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:
>>> HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:9510ddd7-d740-4ce9-a3b9-
>>
>>
>> That is only because you choose to remain ignorant like the rest of
>> your pitiful crew.
>> Small wonder why you'll be working at burger king the rest of your
>> life, dude the lsd your taking is not expanding your mind, it is just
>> keeping you stuck. Smoke crack instead.
>
> Do you actually believe that what you wrote above supports your
> claims
> in any way? Tom makes unsupported claims, people call him on it, and
> you pop up and get snotty about it. Can you even grasp why this is
> not helping your cause?
>
> -jcr
>
>

What's interesting is that Paul Knight made a post that was reasonably
supportive about what he thinks tommy's 3d mind is capable of doing for
people but then we constantly get the examples of tommy and timmy in this
newsgroup. tommy denying that he made posts that he quite obviously made
and timmy claiming to be responding to what someone posted while actually
responding to something that he made up himself.
If tommy's 3d bullshit has the capability that Paul Knight believes it
does then why have the two people who most pimp the product on usenet
obviously not use it for their own personality change when it is so
obviously needed by them?

Sorry, but when the two people who push it the hardest are so desperately
in need of what it could do for them but they do not use it why on earth
should anyone else place any faith in what they post?

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 7:40 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:


Easy, go to his web site and you can see for yourself all the people
who have a short blog about how the 3d Mind has helped them, but of
course you won't because you prefer to be a whinny baby bitch.
Wah wah wah, Tommy this, wah wah wah, Timmy that, wah wah wah, aw go
blow it out of your ass.


UnkaH
>
> > So true but yet when a lot of people are making the same claim,
>
> Show me some independent sources, since you claim they exist.
>
> > your part
> > of the crew who's intent is based on hatred,
>
> Oh, don't be silly. You'll never be important enough to hate.
>
> -jcr

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 7:42 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:

Of course you don't understand it because your a fucken retard, learn
some ebonic's dude and get your white inbred head, out of your cum
dumpster ass.

UnKaH
>
> > Said the sock puppet, of the crew of mental masterbaters. I be a good
> > sock puppet causin me to move and make captain of our team, good ting
> > they don't know what a poser I really am, if they did day would
> > promoto me to teams admirals, den I be a big shots and order dem
> > morons around and dey listen cause I be the HMFIC ( head mother fucker
> > in charge )
>
> Could you try having a literate person help you rewrite that? It
> doesn't make sense as it is.
>
> -jcr

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 7:44 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:


Says the the man who's goal in life is to be below average and stupid.

So then we are in to comparatives now huh? So then you would be
compared to a shit flinging monkey who drinks his own piss and thinks
a banana is something you shove up your ass.

UnKaH
>
> Whether this Bandler person is a fake has no bearing on whether Vizzini
> is a fake.
>
> You're starting to sound like the scientologits when they try to
> deflect questions by ranting about psychiatry being evil.
>
> -jcr

Paul Knight

> What's interesting is that Paul Knight made a post that was reasonably
> supportive about what he thinks tommy's 3d mind is capable of doing for
> people but then we constantly get the examples of tommy and timmy in this
> newsgroup. tommy denying that he made posts that he quite obviously made
> and timmy claiming to be responding to what someone posted while actually
> responding to something that he made up himself.
> If tommy's 3d bullshit has the capability that Paul Knight believes it
> does then why have the two people who most pimp the product on usenet
> obviously not use it for their own personality change when it is so
> obviously needed by them?
>
> Sorry, but when the two people who push it the hardest are so desperately
> in need of what it could do for them but they do not use it why on earth
> should anyone else place any faith in what they post?

First rule of therapy: The person has got to want to change. From what I
could tell in meeting Tom and Tim, both are happy with who they are.
They seem to be aware of the type of persons they are and are content to
live that lifestyle. As I noted in my post, Tom is a fairly abbrassive
person, but he likes that and even revels in it. Tim is far less
abbrassive than Tom, but takes on that persona in his posts. So be it.
No form of therapy will help them because, in their opinion, they do not
need help. From what I could tell, they have at least a reasonable
understanding of the consequences of their choices and personalities and
they have accepted that. Since they are not blind to the situation and
their choices and their actions are not harmful to anyone other than
possibly themselves, I support their decisions.

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 7:47 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:
@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9510ddd7-d740-4ce9-a3b9-

Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah, more whinny bitch speeches, wah wah wah
wah wah.
Shut the fuck up, your making my head hurt, geeez, do you realize what
a total moronic fuck head your making yourself out to be? Do you? I
mean dude do you really understand why your such an idiotic moron?

Do you understand what anecdotal proof is, and when there is an
abundant of it all over his web pages, which shows any one really
interested that there is some proof, but not to the idiot morons like
yourself, because your next excuse to remain totally stupid of the
facts is, oh they are just paid actors being told what to say.

UnKaH
>
> > That is only because you choose to remain ignorant like the rest of
> > your pitiful crew.
> > Small wonder why you'll be working at burger king the rest of your
> > life, dude the lsd your taking is not expanding your mind, it is just
> > keeping you stuck. Smoke crack instead.
>
> Do you actually believe that what you wrote above supports your claims
> in any way? Tom makes unsupported claims, people call him on it, and
> you pop up and get snotty about it. Can you even grasp why this is
> not helping your cause?
>
> -jcr

HC

On Feb 28, 12:26�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 7:40 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>

> > Show me some independent sources, since you claim they exist.


Unkah Retard, do you know what the word independent means?


> Easy, go to his web site and you can see for yourself all the people
> who have a short blog about how the 3d Mind has helped them,



Posts on a website under control of the Vizzini 3D Ass Clown Circus is
not acceptable proof meeting any reasonable man standard, let alone
independent. Sorry. It just isn't.




> but of
> course you won't because you prefer to be a whinny baby bitch.


Wrong. It's already been explained to you that the mere existance of
such postings prove absolutely nothing.



> Wah wah wah, Tommy this, wah wah wah, Timmy that, wah wah wah, aw go
> blow it out of your ass.
>


That's quite a rebuttal, Mr. "I wanna debate with you."




> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �� � UnkaH
>
>
>
>

HC

On Feb 28, 12:29�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 7:42 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> Of course you don't understand it because your a fucken retard, learn
> some ebonic's dude and get your white inbred head, out of your cum
> dumpster ass.
>
> � UnKaH


Hi Tom.

Nice representation you have there.

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 7:47 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:

No, you really didn't get that, one because you call someone names
then play the hurt victim when your trashed, that isn't even clever,
it borders on moronic stupid asshole mother fucking son of a bitch.
Get that? Now come on back and play the, Oh poor me victim, how much
more lame can you get?

UnkaH

>
> > > 3D mind that.
> > So then your admitting your a thin skinned son of a bitch who abuses
> > children and has a tendency towards suicide.
>
> Uh, yeah, ok. I get it. 1 + 1 = 7.
>
> Way to use that 3D mind! Good job, Master Vizzini must be REAL proud!
> <snicker>

HC

On Feb 28, 12:32�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 7:44 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> Says the the man who's goal in life is to be below average and stupid.
>
> So then we are in to comparatives now huh? So then you would be
> compared to a shit flinging monkey who drinks his own piss and thinks
> a banana is something you shove up your ass.
>
> � � �UnKaH
>

Gee, that's funny. I mentioned a banana in reference to your level of
intelligence and then *you* said you wanted to fuck yourself in the
ass with the banana. Would you like the link to your post?

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 8:51 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
> Waiting for an answer since February 12.

Oh he called me a retard, I am hurt beyond repair, Oh the pain, the
pain, even the 3D Mind can't help me now for I am so destroyed.

See you child abusing son of a bitch, any one can play the victim
game, you probably play it in real life, that is why your so pathetic,
now come on and let's hear some more wah wah wahing from you.


UnKaH
>
> Wanna bet Unkah Retard replies before GNR?


> >

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 8:58 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:


>
> > I already answered that one about a month ago. You are two different
> > people. However, as expected, some people then noted that I was conned
> > by Tom. Sigh.

This is why you are so retarded, and incapable of even understanding
the simplest things.
Notice my full name in front of my e-mail address, that along with the
drivers license saying the same name makes it proof positive that
there are two people, but what now, fake id? This is why you will
always remain the most ignorant moron on our planet. Paul Knight is
very neutral in this, he benefits no way what so ever, yet now your
calling him an out and out liar.
>
> Some.
>
> MOST simply reminded you that some idiot standing next to Tom
> *claiming* to be Unkah Retard doesn't prove a thing.

Only a total retard would even think of something like this to say.
>
> Unkah Retard said he showed you his driver's license. Did it say Unkah
> Tim on it, and include his email address?
>

(snip) more poor me victim wah wah wah bullshit, you are a total
loser, in every aspect of the word.
Yet your too stupid to get that, perhaps the world would be better off
if you were a statistic.


UnKaH

Paul Knight

> One, nlp sucks and richard proved it, case closed

Studies have show the therapy that consistantly works best is whatever
one the therapist is most comfortable with. There is no "best"
therapeutic approach. I suck at straight NLP because I primarily use
hypnotherapy. Bandler would probably suck using my hypnotherapy approach
because he knows his NLP. Tom will consistantly get great results from
3D mind because that is what he knows best, but he might suck at NLP or
hypnotherapy. That does not make any of the other therapies bad.

Also, no one gets 100% success. Anyone who says he does is lying or has
not seen very many clients. I have had some horrible failures, as have
Bandler and, I am sure, Tom.

> Two collapsing anchors only work with minor issues

Agreed.

> Three CBT takes a minimum of 11 sessions to clear up the problem

CBT can take one session if done right. I have never heard of such an 11
session rule, other than by people trying to make more money from more
sessions. Well done CBT takes 6-10 sessions, even for fairly complex issues.

> Four. 3D Mind is not based on cbt, or nlp or anything else like
> that, when he first developed it, it was flawed until Dr. Ken showed
> him how the brain works, then based on that, he and Kim developed it
> into a sound model.

See my comments in my original post regarding Dr. Ken. Also, all of my
comments are just my opinion. Take it for what it is worth.

I am not going to go into an in depth explanation about similarities
between CBT, NLP and 3D mind, mostly because it is not worth my time. I
will clarify that I am not accusing Tom of directly ripping off NLP, CBT
or any other therapy. The development of something like 3D mind was
pretty much inevitable based on where therapy is going these days. To
quote Robert Heinlein: "When it is time to railroad, everyone
railroads". What he meant was that at certain times technology,
research, economics and so on come together to make something almost
inevitable. Airplanes were going to be developed no matter who did it.
Something like 3D mind was going to be developed no matter who did it.
It just happened to be Tom.

> Paul you were way off when you said it was based on all those and as
> you said, you really didn't get a good picture of what it really was
> all about, since one, they only had 2 hours to present and two you had
> to leave.

I accept this. That is why I qualified my opinion and people are welcome
to disagree.

HC

On Feb 28, 12:49�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 8:51 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> See you child abusing son of a bitch, <snip>

Clearly, you're defeated.

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 10:39 am, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:

Well that is an opinion worth thinking about...NOT.

Before you go calling the kettle black you dip shit moron, perhaps you
should examine your own behavior before you make a judgment on others
should behavior.

All behavior towards you and the other members of the dee dee dee crew
is warranted, why? because that is all you understand, for the first
part of Feb. Nothing by us was posted, and this ng and the others
went pretty much dead, then when I came on for the rest of the month,
I was actually polite and cordial to you, and that other fucking
moron, yet your response was the same towards me, replies heavily
laden with name calling, and flaming, the purpose of that was to test
you guys just to see if you were capable of decent conversation,
without all the flaming, well once again you all failed kindergarten.

But then you have the audacity to comment on our behavior? Your a fool
and I mean that from the deepest part of being.

So from now on, I probably won't be on here to much, just drop in a
little bit to bitch slap you and the rest of the dee dee dee crew, I
have better things to do, like get some rusty pliers and pull my
rotten teeth out with. Redneck dentistry.

I will respond to Paul's post though, and only to those who have some
manners, you and the rest of your idiot morons are really not worth
talking too. So kiss my white/black ass.


UnkaH


>
> > -jcr
>
> What's interesting is that Paul Knight made a post that was reasonably
> supportive about what he thinks tommy's 3d mind is capable of doing for
> people but then we constantly get the examples of tommy and timmy in this
> newsgroup. tommy denying that he made posts that he quite obviously made
> and timmy claiming to be responding to what someone posted while actually
> responding to something that he made up himself.
> If tommy's 3d bullshit has the capability that Paul Knight believes it
> does then why have the two people who most pimp the product on usenet
> obviously not use it for their own personality change when it is so
> obviously needed by them?
>
> Sorry, but when the two people who push it the hardest are so desperately
> in need of what it could do for them but they do not use it why on earth
> should anyone else place any faith in what they post?
>
> --
> I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
> not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
> me money.
>
> The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language
>
> Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
> public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

HC

On Feb 28, 1:15�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 10:39 am, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:
>
> Well that is an opinion worth thinking about...NOT.
>
> Before you go calling the kettle black you dip shit moron,

3D mind essential skills of persuasion?

Perhaps maybe 3D mind essential skills of rapport building?

<snicker>

> perhaps you
> should examine your own behavior before you make a judgment on others
> should behavior.
>
> All behavior towards you and the other members of the dee dee dee crew
> is warranted, why? because that is all you understand, for the first
> part of Feb. �Nothing by us was posted, and this ng and the others
> went pretty much dead, then when I came on for the rest of the month,
> I was actually polite and cordial to you, and that other fucking
> moron, yet your response was the same towards me, replies heavily
> laden with name calling, and flaming, the purpose of that was to test
> you guys just to see if you were capable of decent conversation,
> without all the flaming, well once again you all failed kindergarten.
>
> But then you have the audacity to comment on our behavior? Your a fool
> and I mean that from the deepest part of being.
>

The deepest part of *your* being. No surprise there.



> So from now on, I probably won't be on here to much, just drop in �a
> little bit to bitch slap you

Hmmm, that's what *I* said . . . and according to Unkah Retard that
makes me a child molestor.

3D mind essential skills of self deprication and masochism at work
here, perhaps?



> and the rest of the dee dee dee crew, I
> have better things to do,


Name ONE important money earning thing, just ONE.


> like get some rusty pliers and pull my
> rotten teeth out with. Redneck dentistry.
>
> I will respond to Paul's post though, and only to those who have some
> manners, you and the rest of your idiot morons are really not worth
> talking too. So kiss my white/black ass.
>

Wow. That's the second concession speech from Unkah Retard in less
than two weeks.




> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �� � � � UnkaH
>
>
>
>
>
> > > -jcr
>
> > What's interesting is that Paul Knight made a post that was reasonably
> > supportive about what he thinks tommy's 3d mind is capable of doing for
> > people but then we constantly get the examples of tommy and timmy in this
> > newsgroup. tommy denying that he made posts that he quite obviously made
> > and timmy claiming to be responding to what someone posted while actually
> > responding to something that he made up himself.
> > If tommy's 3d bullshit has the capability that Paul Knight believes it
> > does then why have the two people who most pimp the product on usenet
> > obviously not use it for their own personality change when it is so
> > obviously needed by them?
>
> > Sorry, but when the two people who push it the hardest are so desperately
> > in need of what it could do for them but they do not use it why on earth
> > should anyone else place any faith in what they post?
>
> > --
> > I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
> > not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
> > me money.
>
> > The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language
>
> > Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
> > public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Paul Knight

> Where's the difference? Neither Tom nor Tim have been willing or able to
> answer the simple question... what's the difference.
>
> The fact that Tom's work is based on what's already been out there is
> clear... what I don't see is the vast differences between what Tom is doing
> vs. what everybody else is doing or has done. It seems Tom has simply
> trimmed the fat from some other approaches and assembled a Cliff Note
> version focused on a few specific areas. Everything else is just sales
> pitch and semantics.

The trimming the fat is a significant difference. Also, making a Cliff
Notes version of some things can be very valuable. Too many therapists
believe change takes long periods of time. Tom has developed another
method that disproves that concept. Where he trims the fat and the
method of changing anchors is, in my opinion, sufficiently different to
qualify as its own form of therapy.

Personal example: I have developed my own technique of hypnotherapy. It
was based loosely on my instructor Gil Boyne's Gestalt and Parts
approach and on trail and error in discovering what worked best for me.
After I wrote it down so I could teach it, one of my friends asked how
long I had studied Albert Ellis. I had read one book by him many years
earlier. However, when I read his material, I discovered he had come up
with a very similar approach to mine thirty years before me. After long
discussions with a few other therapists familiar with both of our
techniques, we decided that because I use hypnosis to achieve the goals
and because my approach was not directly based on Ellis, it was
sufficiently different to be its own form of therapy. I feel the same
about 3D mind. It is certainly not unique or a gigantic breakthrough,
but it is sufficiently different to stand on its own.

> Yet they routinely claim that nothing else works and their stuff is the end
> all be all of change work....

I have not seen statements to that effect of late. If Tom has claimed
this he is clearly wrong.

>>As for 3D Mind: I think it is valid and effective tool for change.
>
> Of course, it's built from valid and effective tools for change.

To respond to gnr below, the tools are NLP, CBT and a little from
Ericksonian approaches.

>>Properly applied, a practitioner of 3D mind will get results very quickly
>>and effectively. On this count, the approach is closer to CBT than NLP.
>>NLP, in general, gets fast results. But the results are more due to the
>>therapist's interventions than the client's discoveries. 3D mind tends to
>>help the client make discoveries. I consider this a significant positive
>>over standard NLP.
>
> Would you say that difference is more of a shift in focus that still uses
> the same basic methods and techniques from NLP.... or a departure from NLP
> entirely?

Still using NLP techniques, but with a shift in focus. However, it is a
significant and important shift in focus. Also, the streamlining of the
NLP approaches really make a difference.

Paul Knight

> you're calling [Paul Knight] an out and out liar.

Tim, a minor clarification: HC did not call me a liar. He suggested I
was deceived. That is a perfectly acceptable opinion. I disagree with
his opinion, but there is nothing that can be done to change his mind or
the mind of others who agree with him. I have made my statement. People
can take it for whatever it is worth. As you noted, I am mostly neutral
in this.

HC

On Feb 28, 12:57�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 8:58 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Paul Knight is
> very neutral in this, he benefits no way what so ever, yet now your
> calling him an out and out liar.
>

Pretty funny that Unkah Retard snipped away the part of my post where
I said I was more or less satisfied ***based on Paul's
determination*** on the point that Vizzini and Unkah Retard are
actually two different entities.

I stopped short above on calling them two different people, because as
a duo, they are one human short of being two different people,
therefor two different entities. One incompetant fool of a human,
Vizzini, and one Unkah Retard.

HC

On Feb 28, 1:33�pm, Paul Knight <knig...@execpc.com> wrote:
> > you're calling [Paul Knight] an out and out liar.
>
> Tim, a minor clarification: HC did not call me a liar. He suggested I
> was deceived.

Actually, Paul, I pretty much conceded that based on your
determination, and my respect for your intelect, that they are in
fact, two separate people.

In fact, if Unkah Retard would post the alleged link that he's been
allegedly sitting on for over a week now that he claims has the
undisputable proof that Vizzini didn't lie about the research that
went into his "product" in the first place, I could be persuaded to
rethink my position that Vizzini is a liar.

That he refuses to do this, leaves me and my logically thinking non-3D
mind no alternative than to assume the proof doesn't exist, thereby
reinforcing in my mind that Vizzini, is in fact, a liar.


> That is a perfectly acceptable opinion. I disagree with
> his opinion, but there is nothing that can be done to change his mind or
> the mind of others who agree with him. I have made my statement. People
> can take it for whatever it is worth. As you noted, I am mostly neutral
> in this.

It's that guy again...

>On Feb 28, 12:49=EF=BF=BDpm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 8:51 am, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> See you child abusing son of a bitch, <snip>


Tom, I suggest you re-think how 3-D mind works, or stop
using this <insert term here> as an example. Till you
do that, your product looks real bad in any marketplace.

Now, I await 'hellwhatever' to attack my opinion, since he
cannot handle anyone's opinion of his childish actions.

JJTj

Krus T. Olfard

HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in news:048e0cfa-c74f-45f6-9dce-
32ab337d7aae@34g2000hsz.googlegroups.com:

> Do you understand what anecdotal proof is,

Do you understand the value of anecdotal 'proof'?
Obviously not.
Probably an example of the essential skill of learning the actual meaning
of words.

Hmmm... timmy certainly does demonstrate a large amount of essential
skills...
<snicker>

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

The Evil Tessmacher

HellBwat writes...
>
> Do you understand what anecdotal proof is
>

Anecdotal proof, does not, under any circumstances,
meet any academic, professonal, or legal standards
of evidentiary proof.

--
~
The Evil Tessmacher
Coming Soon to a Kiosk near you!

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-28 10:15:02 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 28, 10:39 am, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:
>
> Well that is an opinion worth thinking about...NOT.
>
> Before you go calling the kettle black you dip shit moron,

Ah, there you go winning friends and influencing people in precisely
the manner I've come to expect from you.

Now, let's try a bit of logic (although I know it's going to be very,
very hard for you). What possible bearing does my intelligence have on
whether vizzini's claims are supported?

-jcr

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-28 09:38:40 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 28, 7:47 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
> @yahoo.com> wrote in news:9510ddd7-d740-4ce9-a3b9-
>
> Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah, more whinny bitch speeches, wah wah wah
> wah wah.

Such brilliant articulation! Truly, you must be a genius. Did the 3D
mind make you this way?

-jcr

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-28 09:32:42 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> shit flinging monkey who drinks his own piss and thinks
> a banana is something you shove up your ass.

Did you have these bizarre fantasies before you got involved with
Vizzini, or have you been struggling with them your whole life?

-jcr

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-28 09:26:49 -0800, HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> said:

> On Feb 28, 7:40 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Easy, go to his web site

Just not clear on the concept of *independent* sources, are you?

Every woo-woo in the world has plenty of testimonials on their *own* web site.

-jcr

John C. Randolph

On 2008-02-28 09:42:23 -0800, HC <TheHCapper@aol.com> said:

> On Feb 28, 12:26�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 7:40 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>> Show me some independent sources, since you claim they exist.
>
>
> Unkah Retard, do you know what the word independent means?
>
>
>> Easy, go to his web site and you can see for yourself all the people
>> who have a short blog about how the 3d Mind has helped them,
>
>
>
> Posts on a website under control of the Vizzini 3D Ass Clown Circus is
> not acceptable proof meeting any reasonable man standard, let alone
> independent. Sorry. It just isn't.

Bingo. It's like when religious nuts insist that one should accept
their religion merely because they repeat their claims.

-jcr

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:

This amounts too basically zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
>
>
> > perhaps you
> > should examine your own behavior before you make a judgment on others
> > should behavior.
>
> > All behavior towards you and the other members of the dee dee dee crew
> > is warranted, why? because that is all you understand, for the first
> > part of Feb. �Nothing by us was posted, and this ng and the others
> > went pretty much dead, then when I came on for the rest of the month,
> > I was actually polite and cordial to you, and that other fucking
> > moron, yet your response was the same towards me, replies heavily
> > laden with name calling, and flaming, the purpose of that was to test
> > you guys just to see if you were capable of decent conversation,
> > without all the flaming, well once again you all failed kindergarten.
>
> > But then you have the audacity to comment on our behavior? Your a fool
> > and I mean that from the deepest part of being.
>
> The deepest part of *your* being. No surprise there.
>
> > So from now on, I probably won't be on here to much, just drop in �a
> > little bit to bitch slap you
>
> Hmmm, that's what *I* said . . . and according to Unkah Retard that
> makes me a child molestor.
>
> 3D mind essential skills of self deprication and masochism at work
> here, perhaps?
>
> > and the rest of the dee dee dee crew, I
> > have better things to do,
>
> Name ONE important money earning thing, just ONE.
>
> > like get some rusty pliers and pull my
> > rotten teeth out with. Redneck dentistry.
>
> > I will respond to Paul's post though, and only to those who have some
> > manners, you and the rest of your idiot morons are really not worth
> > talking too. So kiss my white/black ass.
>
> Wow. That's the second concession speech from Unkah Retard in less
> than two weeks.
>
> > � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � UnkaH
>
> > > > -jcr
>
> > > What's interesting is that Paul Knight made a post that was reasonably
> > > supportive about what he thinks tommy's 3d mind is capable of doing for
> > > people but then we constantly get the examples of tommy and timmy in this
> > > newsgroup. tommy denying that he made posts that he quite obviously made
> > > and timmy claiming to be responding to what someone posted while actually
> > > responding to something that he made up himself.
> > > If tommy's 3d bullshit has the capability that Paul Knight believes it
> > > does then why have the two people who most pimp the product on usenet
> > > obviously not use it for their own personality change when it is so
> > > obviously needed by them?
>
> > > Sorry, but when the two people who push it the hardest are so desperately
> > > in need of what it could do for them but they do not use it why on earth
> > > should anyone else place any faith in what they post?
>
> > > --
> > > I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
> > > not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
> > > me money.
>
> > > The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language
>
> > > Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
> > > public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:


Well it is pretty stupid to keep on posting the same stuff, but then
again it would fit your nicely, since you are stupid.
>
> > Paul Knight is
> > very neutral in this, he benefits no way what so ever, yet now your
> > calling him an out and out liar.
>
> Pretty funny that Unkah Retard snipped away the part of my post where
> I said I was more or less satisfied ***based on Paul's
> determination*** on the point that Vizzini and Unkah Retard are
> actually two different entities.

You stopped short above because you can't remember anything because
your retarded because of all the abuse you suffered, and the drugs you
swallowed. Now what, ya gonna cry some more and give us the wah wah
speech again?
>
> I stopped short above on calling them two different people, because as
> a duo, they are one human short of being two different people,
> therefor two different entities. One incompetant fool of a human,
> Vizzini, and one Unkah Retard.

HC

On Feb 28, 9:26�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> This amounts too basically zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
>

Shhhh, Unkah Retard is sleeping . . .

HC

Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis, alt.psychology.nlp, alt.seduction.fast
From: HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:15:02 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Feb 28 2008 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: Simply Amazing! Another 3D Mind Success Story

So from now on, I probably won't be on here to much

================

3D mind essential self control skills at work.


On Feb 28, 9:32�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Well it is pretty stupid to keep on posting the same stuff, but then
> again it would fit your nicely, since you are stupid.
>
>
>
> > > Paul Knight is
> > > very neutral in this, he benefits no way what so ever, yet now your
> > > calling him an out and out liar.
>
> > Pretty funny that Unkah Retard snipped away the part of my post where
> > I said I was more or less satisfied ***based on Paul's
> > determination*** on the point that Vizzini and Unkah Retard are
> > actually two different entities.
>
> You stopped short above because you can't remember anything because
> your retarded because of all the abuse you suffered, and the drugs you
> swallowed. Now what, ya gonna cry some more and give us the wah wah
> speech again?
>
>
>
>
>
> > I stopped short above on calling them two different people, because as
> > a duo, they are one human short of being two different people,
> > therefor two different entities. One incompetant fool of a human,
> > Vizzini, and one Unkah Retard.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Krus T. Olfard

HC <TheHCapper@aol.com> wrote in news:ed43f95e-94d3-464b-a3e0-
db5314a94127@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

>
> Actually, Paul, I pretty much conceded that based on your
> determination, and my respect for your intelect, that they are in
> fact, two separate people.
>
>

Even I, low man on the laff at tommy/timmy/tard totem pole, figure that
they are two different people in the flesh but as far as their posts to
this newsgroup are concerned they could be the tommy/timmy/tard unity.

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

Krus T. Olfard

HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1208145e-992a-4f8e-9951-
2ad97d36053e@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well it is pretty stupid to keep on posting the same stuff, but then
> again it would fit your nicely, since you are stupid.
>>
>> > Paul Knight is
>> > very neutral in this, he benefits no way what so ever, yet now your
>> > calling him an out and out liar.
>>
>> Pretty funny that Unkah Retard snipped away the part of my post where
>> I said I was more or less satisfied ***based on Paul's
>> determination*** on the point that Vizzini and Unkah Retard are
>> actually two different entities.
>
> You stopped short above because you can't remember anything because
> your retarded because of all the abuse you suffered, and the drugs you
> swallowed. Now what, ya gonna cry some more and give us the wah wah
> speech again?
>>
>> I stopped short above on calling them two different people, because as
>> a duo, they are one human short of being two different people,
>> therefor two different entities. One incompetant fool of a human,
>> Vizzini, and one Unkah Retard.
>
>

Remember, tommy vizzini, the above quoted tard represents you in these
newsgroups.
I do hope you realize how totally fuckin' pathetic that makes you and
your 3d bullshit appear to any thinking person.

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 1:39 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:

Actually Paul, HC is a fucken moron, notice the only thing he can post
is trivial garbage, their constant theme of Tom lied is not only old
and boring, but since they can not argue any point in any conversation
reguarding nlp, CBT or the like, this is, all the are capable of.
Maybe they should hire Jim Jones to lead their group since their
leader seems to be retarded.
>
> Actually, Paul, I pretty much conceded that based on your
> determination, and my respect for your intelect, that they are in
> fact, two separate people.

No you will never rethink anything, the presupposition there is you
think which is not true by any stretch of the imagination, note the
conversation below.

Tim: The thinking brain it in the top part of the brain.
HC;Tom is a liar
Tim: In order for the brain to function you must have emotions which
support you instead of work against you.
HC: Tom is a liar.
Tim: You have an emotional brain and a cognitive brain each which
serves a function.
HC: Tom is liar.
Tim: There are more connections going down into the limbic brain than
connections coming out.
HC: Tom is a liar.
Tim: In order for a problem to be resolved you have to have more than
one connection from your limbic system to your reactive/cognitive
brain.
HC: Tom is a liar.
Tim: Over whelming emotions can shut down or cause your cognitive
brain to be very limited in it's thinking.
HC: Tom is a liar.

That is his constant theme, notice he never posts anything worth while
reading and pretty much all he ever says is Tom is a liar. Prove it
to me, if he had read all the links as he said he has, then it would
have been very apparent that Tom is not a liar, and that it was a
typo. But all he will reply is, Tom is a liar duh.
I think he is the missing link between the caveman and modern day man.

So go ahead and reply once more because no one heard you the first
10,000 times.


UnkaH




>
> In fact, if Unkah Retard would post the alleged link that he's been
> allegedly sitting on for over a week now that he claims has the
> undisputable proof that Vizzini didn't lie about the research that
> went into his "product" in the first place, I could be persuaded to
> rethink my position that Vizzini is a liar.
>
> That he refuses to do this, leaves me and my logically thinking non-3D
> mind no alternative than to assume the proof doesn't exist, thereby
> reinforcing in my mind that Vizzini, is in fact, a liar.
>
> > That is a perfectly acceptable opinion. I disagree with
> > his opinion, but there is nothing that can be done to change his mind or
> > the mind of others who agree with him. I have made my statement. People
> > can take it for whatever it is worth. As you noted, I am mostly neutral
> > in this.

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 6:56 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:

Ok, Mr. woo woo do you have a web site with testimonies which shows
what a dumbass you are?
I would be eager to see them, or did you get more bananas at the store
and are going to be busy for a while?

unKaH
>
> > On Feb 28, 7:40 am, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > Easy, go to his web site
>
> Just not clear on the concept of *independent* sources, are you?
>
> Every woo-woo in the world has plenty of testimonials on their *own* web site.
>
> -jcr

HellBwat

On Feb 28, 6:57 pm, John C. Randolph <jcr.nos...@nospam.mac.com>
wrote:

Yes, thank you, you have just proven what a bunch of moronic shit
birds, you and the rest of your crew is by making all the wild claims
you have against Tommy Boy.

Now wanna see something really funny?

UnKaH

>
> Bingo. It's like when religious nuts insist that one should accept
> their religion merely because they repeat their claims.
>
> -jcr

Krus T. Olfard

HellBwat <monsterbrat49@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1f48a413-8c86-4033-a57d-
214a49f11dc2@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> their constant theme of Tom lied is not only old
> and boring, but...

....true, sadly.

--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

HC

On Feb 28, 9:50�pm, HellBwat <monsterbra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 1:39 pm, HC <TheHCap...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Actually Paul, HC is a fucken moron, notice the only thing he can post
> is trivial garbage, their constant theme of Tom lied is not only old
> and boring, but since they can not argue any point in any conversation
> reguarding nlp, CBT or the like, this is, all the are capable of.
> Maybe they should hire Jim Jones to lead their group

Or Tom Vizzini.